Murder rate in Canada vs. New York City

MrBishop

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Wednesday, October 1, 2003 Homicides

2002 Canada's homicide rate increased in 2002 after two years of relative stability. At the same time, the proportion of homicides committed with firearms fell to an all-time low.
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Police services reported 582 homicides in 2002, 29 more than in 2001. As a result, the national homicide rate climbed 4% to 1.85 homicides for every 100,000 people, compared with 1.78 in 2001.
Just over one-quarter (26%) of homicides were committed with a firearm last year, the lowest proportion since statistics were first collected in 1961. Throughout the 1960s and early 1970s, firearms accounted for 40% to 50% of all homicides. This proportion has generally been decreasing since 1974.
A total of 149 homicides reported in 2002 were committed with firearms, 22 fewer than in 2001. This total represented a rate of 0.47 for every 100,000 people, the lowest since 1966.
Last year's increase in homicides was driven by a large jump in British Columbia, where there were 126 homicides reported in 2002, up from 84 in 2001. Contributing to the increase in British Columbia were 15 homicides of missing women that occurred in previous years in Port Coquitlam and that were reported by police in 2002.

Canada's homicide rate had stabilized in 2000 and 2001, after having generally decreased since the mid-1970s. The 2002 rate was similar to that of Australia and France and was one-third that of the United States.
Overall, stabbings were the most common method (31%) of committing homicide in 2002, followed by shootings (26%), beatings (21%) and strangulation or suffocation (11%).
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Handguns account for two-thirds of firearm homicides

Handguns accounted for two-thirds of the 149 firearm homicides in 2002, up from about one-half during the 1990s and one-third prior to 1990. The 98 homicides committed with a handgun last year were consistent with the annual average over the past decade.
There has been a declining trend in the use of rifles and shotguns; they now account for only one-quarter of all firearm homicides. A total of 37 homicides were committed with a rifle or shotgun in 2002, substantially fewer than the previous 10-year average of 67. The remaining 14 firearm homicides were committed with other types of firearms.
Of all the handguns used to commit homicide that were recovered by police since 1997, about three-quarters (72%) were not registered. Where ownership could be determined by police, the handgun was owned by the accused in 49% of these homicides and by the victim in 3%; the majority of the remaining handguns were stolen or borrowed.

Source: http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/031001/d031001a.htm


Place Population Number of victims Rate1
Canada 31,110,565 553 1.783

New York Alone: An NYPD spokesman said the brass frequently summon commanders when they spot spikes in other crime categories. Last year, there were 584 killings. If the present pace continues, the number of homicides could exceed 620 by year's end.


Source: http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/59077.htm

Something is terribly wrong in New York, or terribly RIGHT in Canada :)
 
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the population of New York City as of April 1, 2000, was 8,008,278, the largest enumerated census population in the city’s history.

Canada's 2002 numbers are losing luster

31,413,990 582 1.85

New York is an exception to the big cities with rising homicides, with 617 through Dec. 16, compared with 651 in the same period last year — a drop of 5.2 percent.

Considering NYC is 100% urban vs Canada's (guessing) 15%, those numbers aren't far different.
 
PuterTutor said:
Yeah, but it's still so fucking cold.....

Yeah...I'll give you that... You'd figure that we'd have a bigger population because of those long cold nights, eh :)
 
We already know the Canadians think they're better than the US, tell me something I don't know. ;)

You know what I would love to hear? A Canadian saying in what ways they're *not* better than the US. Now THAT would be something. :D
 
How can you compare one of the most violent cities in a much more socieconomical troubled area with the entire canadian borders which includes so much rural and subarban territory WITH A STRAIGHT FACE.

Its funny that you would accuse anything I post as BIASED, if your going be to posting such obviously biased, skewed, and unscientifically founded stastics to make *cough* ahem a point.

Do you want to know the REAL REASON why murders with guns are climbing in New York.?

Its easy, they have some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. Its almost impossible for any law abiding citizen to protect themselves from criminals

You just proved my own point for me. "Rote" arguments are in fact...fact.

Take the guns away for the law abiding citizens...and they are fodder for criminal attacks..

....and what happens....murders with guns go up. (Geeze) Its so 0bvious I cant believe you would even post that...you just made my point for me.

Now in your "research" do some checking. In every area in the US where the US gun laws reach a certain "critical mass"....CRIME INCREASES.


In areas where legal citizens are more liberal to obtain, possess and carry guns....crime decreases!

Thanks so much for the terrific information.
 
Canada Vs. New York

I heard the Urban vs. rural argument

but a good 80% of Canada's population lives in the large cities

Hell, most of Canada is in the montreal windsor corridor

So most canadians are urban, so the numbers make sense to me, it's a diffrent culture up here, plai n and simple, there have been papers written about it.

Canadians don't like guns, or violence as much as our neibors to the south do.

and I've heard the NRA propaganda again *bored*
 
greenfreak said:
We already know the Canadians think they're better than the US, tell me something I don't know. ;)

You know what I would love to hear? A Canadian saying in what ways they're *not* better than the US. Now THAT would be something. :D

greenie my lovely, i also want to find an american admit that their country isn't the greatest darndest superest thing since sliced bread and that they ain't better than everyone else ;)

i'm glad i get to be one of those brits that knows quite how crappy this place can be. :D
 
greenfreak said:
We already know the Canadians think they're better than the US, tell me something I don't know. ;)

You know what I would love to hear? A Canadian saying in what ways they're *not* better than the US. Now THAT would be something. :D


The US has better satellite television
 
ris said:
greenie my lovely, i also want to find an american admit that their country isn't the greatest darndest superest thing since sliced bread and that they ain't better than everyone else ;)


*snicker*
 
depends how you feel about satellite tv, my experience with the uk version is that it is fetid rancid boils on the arse of humanity.
the programming had better be better on your side of the atlantic because its pretty much only the bbc that's keeping me from binning my telly and ripping that sky dish off my wall.
 
ris said:
depends how you feel about satellite tv, my experience with the uk version is that it is fetid rancid boils on the arse of humanity.
the programming had better be better on your side of the atlantic because its pretty much only the bbc that's keeping me from binning my telly and ripping that sky dish off my wall.


do to canadian regulations, the states has much more channels to choose from, the satellite options in Canada are a joke, nothing good, and a year behind on the good HBO shows (six feet, soprano's)
 
ris said:
how much difference is there on price?

no idea, I think they are comparible

but I have digital cable, so I never looked into satellite, i get al the same channels I would with a dish.

all that so i can watch my 5 hours of tv a week
 
i'm going back to the radio, bbc r4 [news, current affairs, comedy and plays] and r5 [sport and talk]. bbc 1, 2 3 and 4 tv have some ok stuff, channel 4 [uk terrestrial] is fair.

the rest is tat.

i pay somehting obscene like 18 quid a month for a whole bunch of extra channels [no fancy sports or movies though] that are 99% drivel.
 
ris said:
i'm going back to the radio, bbc r4 [news, current affairs, comedy and plays] and r5 [sport and talk]. bbc 1, 2 3 and 4 tv have some ok stuff, channel 4 [uk terrestrial] is fair.

the rest is tat.

i pay somehting obscene like 18 quid a month for a whole bunch of extra channels [no fancy sports or movies though] that are 99% drivel.


I used to get them all, now I have Bravo, showcase

showcase action

space

and sextv (they have a cooking show, where the people are near nude, the excitemnet when they fried bacon...)
 
ris said:
greenie my lovely, i also want to find an american admit that their country isn't the greatest darndest superest thing since sliced bread and that they ain't better than everyone else ;)

i'm glad i get to be one of those brits that knows quite how crappy this place can be. :D


The criminal Justice system sucks. The litigous nature of the country sucks. The medicare system sucks. "Political correctness" sucks. Public education sucks. The total "anti-religous" thing sucks. The "marriage is a joke" thing sucks. Most TV sucks. Football is great but would be 10x more fun to watch if it was Rugby. The "person has to be cool and look good and where the right kind of shoes" thing in junior high school sucks. The price of cars and general goods sucks. Inflation sucks. Deficit sucks. Crooked charity organizations suck. Crooked corporate/industrial (I think about 90% of them are lying on their accounting) sucks. Federal regulations sucks (you have to fill out 50 forms just to build a damm tin storage building from home depot in some areas). Gun control sucks. The condition of the roads in the south sucks. Commercialism suck. Modern movies with no story telling/dialogue suck. Modern music (pop is getting better) country sucks. Rap sucks. Gang bangers suck. Crooked police suck. Bad drivers suck. Spin doctors suck. CNN sucks. Red tape sucks. Elections sucks. Zoning restrictions suck. Employee skill and productivity sucks. Employee loyalty sucks. Job security sucks. Fast food sucks.

I could go all day...some times I hate this fucking country...no doubt.
 
we've been getting an increasingly litigious society over here, lots of 'sue someone else for your inability to watch where you are going' companies. one of them went bust a few months back, i don't think anyone cared and with any luck the rest will follow suit.
apparently insurance companies are taking it very seriously that in very minor car accidents people are looking for thousands of pounds for exaggerated whiplash injuries. hopefully seriously enough to ensure the fraudulent ones get bugger all.

personally i am really looking forward to the rugby world cup, should bring some quality rugby, hopefully with england having a decent run.
 
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