Murder rate in Canada vs. New York City

paul_valaru said:
and I've heard the NRA propaganda again *bored*


I kinda resent that. It amazes how somthing simple seems to be so hard to grasp.

Think of it like a battle. Strategically whom ever is better armed and trained wins.

I dont know about you guys...but personally Id prefer to innocent responsbile citizens to triumph over the murderous criminals...but thats just me.


Arm the innocent and the guilty will flee/cease.


Edit:

Dont get me wrong. It may be difficult to tell but I really respect (and agree with !) Bishops ideals. Hell yea that would be nice!

However I worry because the eutopian/idealistic view of the world is a "bit of a fantasy land".

No way in hell criminals are going to suddenly take their ball and go home because of a gun ban. They will still get them and if they cant..the will find another way.

I worry because if Bishop were attack (not taking his bow into account). The assailant would likely cram his ideas so far down his throat they would come out his ass. He would be killed and so would his family.

The only thing that would stop such an attack would be the proper weapon, heightened awarness, lightning speed reaction, and precision delivery.

There is no point in arguing with this because it is virtually indisputable.

Saying "wait you cant attack me, I dont believe in guns" would not work...

shooting him would

...and he would live another day to watch his child grow up. More importantly, his child would have a chance to grow up.

Period end of discussion......
 
AnomalousEntity said:
I kinda resent that. It amazes how somthing simple seems to be so hard to grasp.

Think of it like a battle. Strategically whom ever is better armed and trained wins.

I dont know about you guys...but personally Id prefer to innocent responsbile citizens to triumph over the murderous criminals...but thats just me.


Arm the innocent and the guilty will flee/cease.


It's a diffrence of opinion, you see armed citizens defending home and hearth, I see a bunch of nuts with guns.

you see responsible gun owners, I see kids shooting themselves.

I prefer firearms stay in the hands of policve and military, some registered, and waiting period sold, bolt action rifles sold to sportsmen, who have passed a test in gun safety.

(bolt action because who needs a semi auto to shoot a deer)

gun safty, becausae you can't drive a car without a license, why should you be allowed to shoot a firearm without one.

I know the United States of America will NEVER pass a gun ban, but I have hopes for Canada
 
paul_valaru said:
It's a diffrence of opinion, you see armed citizens defending home and hearth, I see a bunch of nuts with guns.

you see responsible gun owners, I see kids shooting themselves.

I prefer firearms stay in the hands of policve and military, some registered, and waiting period sold, bolt action rifles sold to sportsmen, who have passed a test in gun safety.

(bolt action because who needs a semi auto to shoot a deer)

gun safty, becausae you can't drive a car without a license, why should you be allowed to shoot a firearm without one.

I know the United States of America will NEVER pass a gun ban, but I have hopes for Canada


Just like there will alwys be a few idiots with guns..they will always be a few idiots with cars, or any one of an endless list of things which can be used as a weapon.

ALL THE MORE REASON NOT TO RESTRICT ACCESS TO RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS!

You dont restict access to cars because there are a "few idiots" out there do you? Nope.

And I am ALL FOR an increase in training requiremnts and a ban on military style high capacity rifles. I am all for a restriction on the capacity of magazines to 17 rounds on all guns.

Hell I think of of those millions of "pre-ban" high capacity magazines out to be made illegal, rounded up and melted.

If I were going to put a limit onhand guns it would be 5 per house hold.

One for the house, one for the vehicle, one to carry, 1 for long distance accurcy shooting, and one for carry in heat (a summer gun).

And no caliber restrictions because if you shoot someone with a .22, they will probably not be stopped...which complete defeats the purpose of a defenive weapon in the first place.


PS the "idiot" example and the "kids" example are "rote" arguments. The stastics dont show this to be a significant problem at all.

And your "police" example is a "rote" argument. Many police are far less educated, trained, and reliable than many of the privately liscensed citizens. If you want to take the guns out of the hands of some of the most capable citizens and give them all to the idiots with badges...be my guest..but that is a huge huge mistake.
 
AnomalousEntity said:
Just like there will alwys be a few idiots with guns..they will always be a few idiots with cars, or any one of an endless list of things which can be used as a weapon.


Cars where not made with the sole purpose of maiming and killing, guns are.

Handguns are for the purpose of killing people.

you say cars as an example, I say thalidimide

It served it's purpose, but it created deaths in infants and birth defects, so they took it off the market

Guns serve their purpose, but since they have caused so many innocent deaths, they should be taken of the market as it where.

My arguement is stupid, because it is aples and oranges

your is apples and pears, guns and cars have NOTHING to do with each other.
 
ris said:
greenie my lovely, i also want to find an american admit that their country isn't the greatest darndest superest thing since sliced bread and that they ain't better than everyone else ;)

i'm glad i get to be one of those brits that knows quite how crappy this place can be. :D

:wave: Right here honey! :wave:

You've been listening to Gonz too long. He don't speak for me. :p

I think we have a lot of problems like all countries do, and I'm ashamed at many of the things our government has done. And scared to think of the heinous things I *don't* know about. :shudder:

But regardless of the mistakes or enemies the US has made, it's still my home. And I love it for many of the same reasons you might love your own home. We're not all bad but I guess it's more entertaining to poke fun and point out faults than it is to give SOME credit sometimes.

Just to clarify, there is some truth to what I'm saying but mostly I'm just joking at how most of the Canadians I've known love to US-bash. :D It's like a way of life, I think. :laugh:
 
paul_valaru said:
Cars where not made with the sole purpose of maiming and killing, guns are.

But they maim and kill at a much higher rate, I might add.

Handguns are for the purpose of killing people.

So?

you say cars as an example, I say thalidimide

It served it's purpose, but it created deaths in infants and birth defects, so they took it off the market

It was also marketed as a 'miracle drug'. The reason it was pulled had nothing to do with deaths and everything to do with marketing and false advertisement.

Guns serve their purpose, but since they have caused so many innocent deaths, they should be taken of the market as it where.

So has electricity, oil, food, water, air, etc...

My arguement is stupid, because it is aples and oranges

your is apples and pears, guns and cars have NOTHING to do with each other.

Then why do so many people get upset when one person dies of a gunshot, and everybody is quiet when 40 people die in car crashes?
 
WOuld a pr-capita number impress you more? More than 4 times more murders per capita in the USA than in Canada. Rural/Urban/Hick etc...whatever... kinda erases the whole "but it's New York?" arguement.

AE- a home invasion on me? I can remember a grand total of 15 home invasions in the greater Montreal area in the past 10 years. All on senoirs and none of them involving guns.

If someone home invades me while I'm there...they'll have more than guns to worry about,e specially if they so much as touch my son or wife. At 6ft 200lbs, I don't need a gun...I'll pick upa fuckin' chair and mash the fucker just for the audacity! No chair handy...bats, canes, household items...none of those..I guess that I'll just have to use fists.

I can and know how to disarm someone with a knife or club etc... I know how to kill in one blow...in several different ways (8, I think). I know how to knock someone out, or strangle them down. I know how to keep someone from bleeding to death and how to stop them from going into shock.

I have a large concrete basement, 100-mile/hour tape, an old metal chair, blind bulbs, dental picks, scalpels, priers, a blow-torch, a spare car battery and a bucket of water, sponges, cheese graters and a bucket of rock-salt etc... a dark backyard, a large garden, 2 cleavers, a large plastic tarp, basic human-biology knowledge, training in butchering (I was a sou-chef), shovels and quiet neighbors.

Don't touch my son! Don't touch my wife! It would be a BaaaAAAAAaaaaad thing....for you!
 
Sorry if I'm scaring anyone with this. I don't mean to seem like I'm a complete fucking maniac...I really don't...but...and like Oprah...this is one BIG BUTT... I have limits.

Prof will let you know about this. I have the patience of Job. I have a very VERY wet fuse, but it's very short. There are only a few things that will set me off. Violence, or the threat of violence to my family is #1 on that list.

When I was younger...about 15 years ago or so, a guy hit my sister in my pressence. She's 5'3" at best and 100bls...he was about my height and weight. I hurt him...it scares me to think of how much I hurt him...
 
MrBishop said:
WOuld a pr-capita number impress you more? More than 4 times more murders per capita in the USA than in Canada. Rural/Urban/Hick etc...whatever... kinda erases the whole "but it's New York?" arguement.

AE- a home invasion on me? I can remember a grand total of 15 home invasions in the greater Montreal area in the past 10 years. All on senoirs and none of them involving guns.

If someone home invades me while I'm there...they'll have more than guns to worry about,e specially if they so much as touch my son or wife. At 6ft 200lbs, I don't need a gun...I'll pick upa fuckin' chair and mash the fucker just for the audacity! No chair handy...bats, canes, household items...none of those..I guess that I'll just have to use fists.

I can and know how to disarm someone with a knife or club etc... I know how to kill in one blow...in several different ways (8, I think). I know how to knock someone out, or strangle them down. I know how to keep someone from bleeding to death and how to stop them from going into shock.

I have a large concrete basement, 100-mile/hour tape, an old metal chair, blind bulbs, dental picks, scalpels, priers, a blow-torch, a spare car battery and a bucket of water, sponges, cheese graters and a bucket of rock-salt etc... a dark backyard, a large garden, 2 cleavers, a large plastic tarp, basic human-biology knowledge, training in butchering (I was a sou-chef), shovels and quiet neighbors.

Don't touch my son! Don't touch my wife! It would be a BaaaAAAAAaaaaad thing....for you!

Bish, if that god forbid, ever happens, don't do something like that.

I know a cabin in the woods, easy to dispose of the body, crurifixtion then judas cradle, , then impalement

stick with the classics
 
paul_valaru said:
Bish, if that god forbid, ever happens, don't do something like that.

I know a cabin in the woods, easy to dispose of the body, crurifixtion then judas cradle, , then impalement

stick with the classics

Now tha you mentioned it, my father-in-law's got a cabin in upstate NY and a rototiller :) Not sure what a judas cradle is...sounds nasty.

OK...so I wouldn't go that far...now, if someone kidnapped my child and I found out someone who knew where he was....hmmm
 
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