Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal

MrBishop said:
Just a quick statement on this point. The 'leftist media' is trying to denegrate the war, the President who sent the boys and girls in uniform into said war, and the reasoning behind said war...but not the soldiers themselves.

The statement that many espouse (equate knocking the war with knocking the soldiers) is a fallacy by the right-wing's rabid attempt to denigrate democratic ideology and left-leaning people.
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You get to http://www.democraticunderground.com much? If you did you might rethink that post.
 
MrBishop said:
Just a quick statement on this point. The 'leftist media' is trying to denegrate the war, the President who sent the boys and girls in uniform into said war, and the reasoning behind said war...
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It's simpky not their job. Opinion journalism is an oxymoron. If one presents a story as news (DAn Rather & memogate) when it's clearly agenda driven it destroys credibility. Rush Limbaugfh or Keith Obermnan can yell from the rooftops...they aren't journalists.

Present the facts of the story & allow the viewer/listener/reader to decide.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Once again...we, the troops, do not get to pick the fights we get into. If you have a problem with the fight, then you shouldn't have gotten us involved in the first place. Once you get us involved, you're down to two choices...support us, or not.
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We shouldn't have been involved in the first place and we should get out as soon as possible to fix that issue. Of course that's one of the other choices you're missing.
 
Gonz said:
It's simpky not their job. Opinion journalism is an oxymoron. If one presents a story as news (DAn Rather & memogate) when it's clearly agenda driven it destroys credibility. Rush Limbaugfh or Keith Obermnan can yell from the rooftops...they aren't journalists.

Present the facts of the story & allow the viewer/listener/reader to decide.
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It's ridiculous when people post agenda driven opinion bullshit here as if we're supposed to take it seriously. Right?
 
spike said:
It's ridiculous when people post agenda driven opinion bullshit here as if we're supposed to take it seriously. Right?
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I'm not a journalist. I don't play one on TV. The article is an opinion piece, written using facts to make a point. Facts that would have n o place in a journalistic piece.

"Today, President Obama proposed legislation to give all the rich folks money to the poor folks" is news. "Today, President Obama proposed legislation to give all the rich folks money to the poor folks in a manner much like LBJ" is spin.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Once again...we, the troops, do not get to pick the fights we get into. If you have a problem with the fight, then you shouldn't have gotten us involved in the first place. Once you get us involved, you're down to two choices...support us, or not. You don't wait til the fight starts and then decide that it isn't worth it. You finish what you start, and you do it in such a way as to not marginalize those in harms way. If the reasons for starting an action were wrong, or misguided, then you deal with that after the action is over by changing the government...you know...voting? You do not do what San Francisco is doing, by allowing protestors to set up shop outside a recruiting station. You do not do what Fred Phelps is doing, by protesting funerals. You don't do what Cindy Sheehan did, by camping outside someones private residence, because that won't make any difference on the homefront, but it will cause anger, frustration, and a certain amount of disdain in those you, through your government proxies, sent to fight.



You cannot honor someone without honoring what they fight for. You think you can, but theres a huge amount of contradiction in that statement because they do not support each other.
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Part 1 - which is basically why Canada is not "Officially" in Iraq :shrug: Elections come once every 4 years...that's a long time to wait to correct a bad situation, non? Who decides when a situation is finished?

Part 1b - Sheehan and Phelps are asshats..but they're within the law/freedoms/rights...which is what you guys are fighting to protect.:shrug:

Part 2 - I disagree. What you're fighting for and how it's done/how effective the fight is don't equate. The ends don't always justify the means.

ie - hammers are meant to drive in and/or remove nails.
I like hammers..own several.
Hammers can also be misused to cave in someone's head.
I can support hammers, support them when they're used correctly, but NOT when they're used to kill people. :eek6:
 
Gonz said:
I'm not a journalist. I don't play one on TV. The article is an opinion piece, written using facts to make a point. Facts that would have n o place in a journalistic piece.

"Today, President Obama proposed legislation to give all the rich folks money to the poor folks" is news. "Today, President Obama proposed legislation to give all the rich folks money to the poor folks in a manner much like LBJ" is spin.
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Remember. If it is an opinion piece, regardless of the facts cited from any legitimate news source or story as reference, the piece is pure bullshit in Spike's mind. Opinion based upon fact is just opinion regardless of the truth, the sources, or the attribution or veracity of those sources. All of the references become lies and mythology as soon as they are used in anyone's opinion piece. WWII never happened if it is referenced in an opinion piece.
 
MrBishop said:
Not really... I'm not an american democrat. I'm a NDP and-or Liberal supporter (Canadian).

But I suppose that I can visit the site and see what the hubbub's about if you insist.:deal:
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A great reference source when looking for those who truly hate America and her soldiers. The vitriol spewed there is breathtaking in its zeal and fervor.
 
jimpeel said:
A great reference source when looking for those who truly hate America and her soldiers. The vitriol spewed there is breathtaking in its zeal and fervor.
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yet you're feeding it to me - a cannuckistani liberal?

You sure you're not a deep-cover spy for the Obama team? :fart:
 
spike said:
Yep, paying attention to the fact that you posted some summary of what happened without a link.
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Pssst! First page. Post #33. ;) Starts at paragraph #5 in link.


Deflect what? You don't like reading about examples of real media bias?
I suppose you prefer the fantasy bias.
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Deflect from the OP of the media's slanted coverage of the incidents in Haditha, and non-coverage after the fact of acquittal.

I'm shocked that no letters in that article even came close to spelling out the word "Haditha." :rolleyes:
 
Cerise said:
Pssst! First page. Post #33. ;) Starts at paragraph #5 in link.
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Men, women, and children killed as they swept through 3 houses? Not enough detail that article really to tell why that was needed.


Deflect from the OP of the media's slanted coverage of the incidents in Haditha
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We covered that already, there's been no examples of slanted coverage.

and non-coverage after the fact of acquittal.
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We already covered that too. It's been pointed out more than once that there's been tons of coverage and the OP was just completely wrong.

So since we already proved the OP wrong I gave some examples of actual real media bias.
 
Gonz said:
I'm not a journalist. I don't play one on TV. The article is an opinion piece, written using facts to make a point. Facts that would have n o place in a journalistic piece.
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So wait, do you like opinion journalism or don't you? Or maybe you just like it when you agree with the opinion?
 
jimpeel said:
Remember. If it is an opinion piece, regardless of the facts cited from any legitimate news source or story as reference, the piece is pure bullshit in Spike's mind. Opinion based upon fact is just opinion regardless of the truth, the sources, or the attribution or veracity of those sources. All of the references become lies and mythology as soon as they are used in anyone's opinion piece. WWII never happened if it is referenced in an opinion piece.
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Damn Jim, you certainly don't need any opinion pieces when you keep using this new trick of making up your own facts and then running away when you get called on the bullshit.
 
Agenda Driven Bullshit, anyone????

On one hand it's:

"I'm always happy to hear the military acts honorably."
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But on the other hand it's:

"Anyone see any explanation of how these civilians got killed? Or is that being suppressed?"

"Men, women, and children killed as they swept through 3 houses? Not enough detail that article really to tell why that was needed."
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How's that identity thing coming?
 
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