Gato_Solo said:
Which I pulled directly out of your post. Funny how that works, innit?
Here....
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flavio: I don't suppose you have any facts that show that the numbers aren't equivalent? I don't remember there being far catholics and protestants citizens the world over denouncing the terrorists in Northern Ireland for representing their religion everytime there was a bombing.
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Gato: Ahh...nice one. Since you don't remember, it never happened. Is that typical thinking on your part? It would explain a lot...
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flavio: Look again, I said since I don't remember it you should provide some facts to back up your statement which youre avoiding with a misquote.
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Gato: Which I pulled directly out of your post. Funny how that works, innit?
Looking at (1.) see that I didn't say "I don't remember, it never happened" and you didn't pull it from my post. Since I don't remember it happening and don't know your claim to be true I asked for proof. You ask for proof sometimes right?
If you don't have anything indixating that more christians denounce christian terrorism than muslimsdenounce muslim terrorism we can just disregard that and move alopng. No big deal.
In everything you've typed so far. You're making an assumption that the average muslim in the Islamic world would do something to stop the madness which is using their religion to spread mass hysteria, death, and destruction throughout the world.
I didn't make that assumption about muslims
or christians. I don't think the average muslim or christian the would approve of the madness which is using their religion to spread mass hysteria, death, and destruction throughout the world though.
Of course, your assumption is based on the observation of others who have an axe to grind. Mine is based on my own observations, because I've been there before the war, during the war, and after the war. Hell...I'm here now. You talk as if one, or two, people who claim expertise of the Islamic world, have a special sense because they have a piece of paper that says they are experts.
Who are these people with the paper and the axe that the assumption I didn't make is based on?
Since they are so correct, why don't you prove them correct. Buy a ticket to Saudi Arabia, go to the middle of a town square, and state your nationality out loud, and in the clear. No news cameras, no bodyguards, and no weapons.
Prove it. Do what I asked. If you're correct, then I'll apologize...but you better have some kind of proof.
If I had really made that assumption or knew who these people were I'd have to go to Saudi Arabia to prove it? I just was asking for documentation when I asked you to back up your claim above and
"every time there's some violence in Northern Ireland all catholics and protestants publically denounce the incidences".
It doesn't seem right that you can't put up some documentation or a link but would want me to go thousands of miles if I had made that assumption.
Your naivitee. When's the last time you've left the North American continent? You speak as though you have this great understanding of international affairs, but you only know what's been fed to you.
Saying I'm naive and don't understand is meaningless without a specific example of naivety or lack of understanding.
Nope. Not since those few quotes don't amount to a decline in terrorist activity abroad...
My link had a good many muslim leaders statements and chcr found a bunch more examples in a few seconds. If you were really interested I'm sure you could find a ton more on your own. You aren't going to look and it doesn't matter how many are posted. You've already been trying to block out the examples you have now.
So you've changed your story. Now what? All muslims everywhere need to go fight the terrorist and be sucussful in creating a decline in terrorism?
Do you remember all the catholics where you live going over to fight the IRA?
Yours are taken after specific actions. Kind of like the kid who breaks a window, has their parents apologize, and then proceeds to break another.
Could you supply some evidence showing that muslim leaders only denounce terrorists after specific actions and catholic do it some other way?
And celebrations in the streets? How about
blessing terrorists in parades on
Doesn't seem to be a news site. Perhaps you should do a little more than just Google and post...[/quote]So how about muslims dancing in the streets and celebrating after 9/11. How many muslims do you know were doing this? I'd guess a lot less than the number that have denounced the violence.
Most of them seemed to be in Palestine. Why would Palestinians do that? Maybe because while Israel takes their land, massacres their people, and ignores UN mandates the US gives the Israeli's massive amounts of money, weapons, and favoritism in negotiations?
That's more of a "You're helping the people that are killing us thing" than a muslim issue.
Maybe they feel that if the US doesn't take action against the Israeli terrorism they must support it....
""The record of Israeli terrorism goes back to the origins of the state - indeed, long before - including the massacre of 250 civilians and brutal expulsion of seventy thousand others from Lydda and Ramle in July 1948; the massacre of hundreds of others at the undefended village of Doueimah near Hebron in October 1948;...the slaughters in Quibya, Kafr Kassem, and a string of other assassinated villages; the expulsion of thousands of Bedouins from the demilitarized zones shortly after the 1948 war and thousands more from northeastern Sinai in the early 1970's, their villages destroyed, to open the region for Jewish settlement; and on, and on." Noam Chomsky, "Blaming The Victims," ed. Said and Hitchens."
Because they, too, suffer from Islamic extremists. I'm not putting the full blame on Muslims, however, as Hindus do the same to them in that region...
There, you said it.
"Extremists".
Depends...does the Catholic church have schools that actively teach this hate and corruption?
Sure, Catholics in some schols are taught to hate Protestants, Anglicans,Jehova's Witnesses, Homosexuals, people who get abortions, and pretty much anyone that's not Catholic is damned or a heretic.
Has that happened outside of the area where those actions took place, and does the Catholic/Protestant church hold services exhaulting such attacks?
Here's some pastors doing violence...
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a number of Protestant church members, and even pastors, were involved in some of this violence"
And what happened later? I do believe such acts were prosecuted and condemned by the general public out loud, and in the clear.
The muslims are doing that too.
You're the one who likes to use either the crusades, Nazi's, Facists, or IRA to back up your statements...[/QUOTE]
