Obama Expands Federal Power Over the States with Executive Order

Winky

Winky

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Oh you make this too easy

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jimpeel

jimpeel

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MrBishop said:
If it happens, it'll be an armed insurrection by radicals trying to overthrow the standing, legal and democratically elected GVT. Those participating will be considered illegal combatants and will be killed on site or captured and sentenced to places like Gitmo..for life. Real Americans would resist such a takeover in any way possible as undemocratic and approaching despotism...expect neighbours firing on neighbours, family on family, utter chaos. Maybe once it's done, you can join the rest of the civilized world as the next 50 provinces of Canada.
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Here is what we have that you don't and that is why you don't understand.

The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
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MrBishop

MrBishop

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What you don't seem to understand, Jim...is that Obama is not a despot, nor is your current gvt leaning towards despotism or fascism in any radical way.

You don't like the Democrats in office..fine. This does not give you, or anyone else the right or duty to overturn the standing GVT.

Out of curiosity.. who would take over, and what system of gvt would be in place in the event of the overthrowing of democracy in America?
 
MrBishop

MrBishop

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OH... Canada can overthrow the standing GVT in case things don't go along with the people's wishes. Ours just happens to be bloodless. "Vote of non-confidence" - where we can literally fire the Prime Minister and all Parliamentarians in one fell swoop, and send them all back to the polls to beg to be let back in.

We can also Prorogue Parliament (which is happening now) - sending them on an extended holiday until such time as the PM wants them back.

Quite a bit more civil, eh
 
Cerise

Cerise

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We the people have the right to "alter or abolish" the government when it violates our Constitutional rights:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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2minkey

2minkey

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MrBishop said:
What you don't seem to understand, Jim...is that Obama is not a despot, nor is your current gvt leaning towards despotism or fascism in any radical way.
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all of this birther teabagger muslimcommie government taking over everything in an instant mass hypnosis nonsense is simply the overly-dramatized death spasm of folks realizing that their people are no longer as socially dominant as they once were.

it's just like the people in the midwest that whine about their overpaid, unskilled factory jobs slipping away to mexico where people will actually work hard. their way is evaporating, they don't understand it, and instead of getting some nerve and adapting, they piss, moan, and construct imaginary enemies all around.
 
MrBishop

MrBishop

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Cerise said:
We the people have the right to "alter or abolish" the government when it violates our Constitutional rights:
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Yup...through the vote. Which you did when you overthrew the Bush GVT..and which happens every 4 or 8 years.

A revolution the likes of which you dream of could not happen in modern times. The population is far too large and widespread. The military is several orders of magnitude more equipped than the general populace, the percentatge of the population that would go against this revolution is far too close to 50%.

Hell, it would require a complete re-write of your constitution, laws and layers of GVT. That alone would be utter chaos.

It would make Haiti seem like a butterfly sneezing on a flower-petal. Think post-WWI Europe.
 
MrBishop

MrBishop

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ResearchMonkey said:
Any mish-mash and twisting debate would be silly, it's kinda hard to say much beyond that very clear statement.
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Your constiution tells you that it's your duty to overthrow despotic GVTs, but beyond voting, offers no way to do so. Which leaves you with trying to overthrow despotic rule in the way that they did it back in the good ol' days..armed revolution. The main difference was that it was against a foreign power separated from it's homeland and re-enforcements by months of sea travel. It's well and good to pat yourself on the back and write that nice little flourish into the constitution. "Yeah, we got rid of the Brits..wo0t, let's tell everyone that they can do the same".

Actually doing it again, on your own soil, against yourselves? 'member the Civil War? 600,000 deaths for an overall population of 30,000,000. Using muskets, flint-locks,bayonets and the odd field artillery in open fields, away from cities and with soldiers in uniform. Now imagine a population 11 times larger, with machineguns or handguns vs. tanks, jet-planes, LAW rockets and tactical nukes.

Wet-nightmare
 
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