ObamaCare revisited

spike said:
Option: Insurance through work, private insurance not through work, public option, etc.
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And your certain that private insurance is going to survive?

Your certain people will not get felonys and jail time for not having insurance?

Your certain that there will not be a rationing?

Your certain that the elderly are going to get all the treatment they need to live as long as they can?

Your certain that everyone is going get better treatment faster?

Your certain this will pass in the Senate?
 
Obama the Supreme Leader of the World!

A marauding barbarian with a reputation as one of todays monsters,
even now Obama's name is a synonym for savagery!
 
spike said:
Actually we'll have more options with the public option.

You really should research this stuff instead of making up crap.
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I have. Too bad you relied on pols to tell you what they think is in the bill.

Now that the House passed this crap, they can get busy on writing it.
 
lol @ writing it. :laugh3:

Yup, gotta get one for the Senate too, then passed.

Then we get to do it again in both houses.

Historic...... historic failure.
 
Gonz said:
I have. Too bad you relied on pols to tell you what they think is in the bill.
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I have relied on real information while you continue to make up crap.

Maybe you could give some evidence that the government won't give you an option or admit that you made it up?
 
With all the kings horses and all the kings men ...... the king still had to bribe and barter to barely pass the bill.

Its not law yet monkey-boy.
 
Enjoy your time in jail. Free food, free lodging, free health care, but the anal sex will cost you several packs of cigarettes -- unless you are the one getting your shit packed by Bubba.

Not a Conservative site.

Not a Liberal site.

The official website of the House Ways and Means Committee Republicans.

SOURCE

republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov

Republican Ways and Means
Contact: Jim Billimoria or Sage Eastman (202) 226-4774


PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail

Washington, Nov 6 -

Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”

Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.

According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.

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spike, your site rates that story as TRUE.

AS far as facts go...post 158 from which you've benn totally silent
 
spike said:
It's a Republican site. Clearly biased.

I know all you guys get the same talking points but the twisting of the facts on this one has already been addressed on the forums.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...vative-group-says-youll-be-imprisoned-not-ha/
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From your own link:

The bill summary that the Senate committee considered did not mention specifics about enforcement and sentencing for violations.

So, at the markup, Ensign questioned Barthold — the top professional staffer on the joint House-Senate panel that advises both chambers on tax legislation — about what penalties would be assessed.

Barthold told him that they would be "penalties under the Internal Revenue Code." Ensign asked for "the maximum penalty" for a "willful" — that is, intentional — violation. Is it "possible that somebody could go to jail over this?" Ensign asked.

Barthold answered, "Could be criminal, yes, if it were considered an attempt to defraud."

Later, several news outlets reported that Barthold delivered a hand-written note to Ensign after the hearing confirming that violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in prison or a $25,000 penalty. When PolitiFact contacted the Joint Committee on Taxation to confirm the contents of the letter, a spokeswoman said that such communications were confidential, but she pointed us to Section 7203 of the Internal Revenue Code, titled, "Willful failure to file return, supply information or pay tax."

The text of that section appears to jibe with the reported contents of Barthold's note. It says, "Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution." (A House Ways and Means Committee spokesman said that the same rules would apply to the House bill.)
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It is all a fraud!!!

"attempt to defraud" ???

My friends I don't know about you
but I for one will not become a vassal to the state
nor will I ever pledge fealty to Lord Obama!
 
Gonz said:
spike, your site rates that story as TRUE.
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It points out the way the truth was twisted. Willful attempt to defraud was sorely lacking from your link.

AS far as facts go...post 158 from which you've benn totally silent
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Yes, you linked to a blog that claimed some things. It cites pages numbers but doesn't link to a document. Much of what it mentions isn't even a problem.
 
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