ObamaCare revisited

It's even weirder fantasy if you think it's in the bill that passed the house. Fear mongering fantasy.

the misnomer is, it doesn't spacifically say that,
but puts that power in the hands of a czar.
(who nobody elected btw)
 
read the bill

I'm not wasting my time pointing it out, because it's file 13 material anyway.
It ain't going much farther.

throughout the bill, it gives the czar powers beyond anything anyone has had to date in this country.
 
Reading the bill, don't see it. You can say whatever you want but it doesn't mean anything unless you prove it.

Sounds like more made up fear mongering.
 
FUCKIN' AWESOME!!!!!! now none of my tax dollars will go toward subsidizing the uninsured morons that show up in the ER bleeding!

You will simply have to pay for their housing, food, upkeep, and medical treatment while they are in jail, that's all.
 
Uh oh! "shall" is satan's work.

Yeah, it's just a word with no real meaning.

BTW: It's Satan, not satan. You wouldn't want to piss Him off by misspelling His name, and relegating Him to second place, would you? After all, you may have to come up with some tricky answers some day.
 
SOURCE

AP

- November 09, 2009
House Health Bill Has Nowhere to Go in Senate

Government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to some Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.

WASHINGTON -- The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.

Speaking from the Rose Garden about 14 hours after the late Saturday vote, Obama urged senators to be like runners on a relay team and "take the baton and bring this effort to the finish line on behalf of the American people."

The problem is that the Senate won't run with it. The government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.

If a government plan is part of the deal, "as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote," said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.

"The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said dismissively.

Democrats did not line up to challenge him. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has yet to schedule floor debate and hinted last week that senators may not be able to finish health care this year.

Nonetheless, the House vote provided an important lesson in how to succeed with less-than-perfect party unity, and one that Senate Democrats may be able to adapt. House Democrats overcame their own divisions and broke an impasse that threatened the bill after liberals grudgingly accepted tougher restrictions on abortion funding, as abortion opponents demanded.

In Senate, the stumbling block is the idea of the government competing with private insurers. Liberals may have to swallow hard and accept a deal without a public plan in order to keep the legislation alive. As in the House, the compromise appears to be to the right of the political spectrum.

Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, who voted for a version of the Senate bill in committee, has given the Democrats a possible way out. She's proposing to allow a government plan as a last resort, if after a few years premiums keep escalating and local health insurance markets remain in the grip of a few big companies. This is the "trigger" option.

That approach appeals to moderates such as Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La. "If the private market fails to reform, there would be a fallback position," Landrieu said last week. "It should be triggered by choice and affordability, not by political whim."

Lieberman said he opposes the public plan because it could become a huge and costly entitlement program. "I believe the debt can break America and send us into a recession that's worse than the one we're fighting our way out of today," he said.

For now, Reid is trying to find the votes for a different approach: a government plan that states could opt out of.

The Senate is not likely to jump ahead this week on health care. Reid will keep meeting with senators to see if he can work out a political formula that will give him not only the 60 votes needed to begin debate, but the 60 needed to shut off discussion and bring the bill to a final vote.

Toward the end of the week, the Congressional Budget Office may report back with a costs and coverage estimate on Reid's bill, which he assembled from legislation passed by the Finance Committee and the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. The Finance Committee version does not include a government plan.

Reid has pledged to Obama that he will get the bill done by the end of the year and remains committed to doing that, according to a Senate leadership aide.

Both the House and Senate bills gradually would extend coverage to nearly all Americans by providing government subsidies to help pay premiums. The measures would bar insurers' practices such as charging more to those in poor health or denying them coverage altogether.

All Americans would be required to carry health insurance, either through an employer, a government plan or by purchasing it on their own.

To keep down costs, the government subsidies and consumer protections don't take effect until 2013. During the three-year transition, both bills would provide $5 billion in federal dollars to help get coverage for people with medical problems who are turned down by private insurers.

Both House and Senate would expand significantly the federal-state Medicaid health program for low-income people.

The majority of people with employer-provided health insurance would not see changes. The main beneficiaries would be some 30 million people who have no coverage at work or have to buy it on their own. The legislation would create a federally regulated marketplace where they could shop for coverage.

The are several major differences between the bills.

--The House would require employers to provide coverage; the Senate does not.

--The House would pay for the coverage expansion by raising taxes on upper-income earners; the Senate uses a variety of taxes and fees, including a levy on high-cost insurance plans.

--The House plan costs about $1.2 trillion over 10 years; the Senate version is under $900 billion.

By defusing the abortion issue -- at least for now -- the House may have helped the long-term prospects for the bill. Catholic bishops also eager to expand society's safety net may yet endorse the final legislation.

Lieberman appeared on "Fox News Sunday," while Graham was CBS' "Face the Nation."
 
Let's get this puppy kicked into overdrive!

U.S. Debt Clock

Note the box labeled "US National Debt".

Now compare it to the box labeled "US Gross National Product".

Now take a gander at the box labeled "Total Federal/State/Local Tax Revenue".

See any disconnect between those three numbers?
 
U.S. Debt Clock in Times Square runs out of digits.

SOURCE

From Times Online
October 9, 2008
National Debt Clock runs out of digits

It appears even technology cannot cope with the global financial crisis: the National Debt Clock in New York has run out of digits for the first time.

The electronic billboard hit its limit after US public debt rose above the $10 trillion mark for the first time on September 30.

As a temporary fix the dollar sign has been switched to a figure--the '1' in $10 trillion. The clock is currently marking the US federal government’s national debt at about $10.2 trillion.

The clock, located in Times Square in New York, shows the amount of money owed by the US government. It was created by the late Manhattan real estate developer Seymour Durst, who put the sign up in 1989 to call attention to what was then a $2.7 trillion debt.

The Durst Organization says it plans to update the sign next year by adding two digits. That will make it capable of tracking debt up to a quadrillion dollars.

Shouldn't take long for Obama to use up the two new digits once "free" health care kicks in.
 
Yeah, it's just a word with no real meaning.

BTW: It's Satan, not satan. You wouldn't want to piss Him off by misspelling His name, and relegating Him to second place, would you? After all, you may have to come up with some tricky answers some day.

It's a word with meaning that they use in bills often.

satan or god. Not capitalizing doesn't put one in second place.
 
I don't fear what you said because it's not true. There are those foolish enough to believe it though that would fear it.

It depends on if you are gullible enough to believe it or not.
 
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