Racial profiling
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unclehobart
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Might as well have lojack tracking systems placed in the core of every newborns head so they can keep exact tabs on everyone at all times and know your heart rate and blood chemistry. Perhaps a little cattleprod in there as well so the 'authorities' can zap whole cities unconscious if they go against the will of the man.
I think its the same garbage we are seeing everywhere. People can't wait to give up their rights and freedoms the moment they feel threatened. Do you realize how many middle eastern people we have living here? Should we harrass them all? For what, so that they will get pissed off too? Maybe we can help with al'whatever (sorry, I'm so sick of hearing that name I won't say it) recruit new volunteers. Harrass people enough, and it might just work. I have heard some worries that they may try to recruit muslims extremist from the US that are disenchanted with the way it is here. Why should we make it worse for people, and further this threat. By far, I would say this is the biggest threat. What happens if Americans get involved? I could happen, unlikely, but possible.
HeXp£Øi±
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RD_151 I don't quite get what your saying. Pretend i'm in the second and break it down for me if you would. Isn't the point of RP or profiling to nail down the suspect into a group as small as possible? Why would you need to know what the person is like? All that law enforcement does is apprehend the person anyway. So all they need to know is the persons appearence. So the process goes, what did he look like? Brown hair, chinese(nails it down to 1.3billion) between 5'4" & 5'6"(800,000) brown eyes skinny (700,000). So now we've eliminated 90% of the worlds population as suspects. And the racial profiling factor played the most important part.
Yes, you are correct, it you probably NEED to give the race when making a description (after the fact), but its a different matter when the goal is to try to stop someone BEFORE they commit th crime, like terrorism. Basically, you are making a racist statement saying ok, we are only looking for Arabs, whites, blacks, and asians wouldn't commit a terrorist act. Does that seem fair? Well, I know of more than a few incidents when the terrorists weren't arabs! Don't you?
Gato_Solo
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Nope. It's an example of how profiling is a crock the way it's used now. If you're a police officer, and you're going to stop someone, then stop someone for a reason. Either that person is breaking the law, or that person is the victim of a crime. Those are the only reasons that the police should be able to stop someone, period. If they aren't sure, then they should just move on. It's not hard.
The point is, cops harrass yong black men BEFORE they have done anything wrong, based on the idea that they MIGHT do something wrong. When was the last time you saw cops harrassing some white middle income kid in the suburbs, just for hanging around? No, there is something wrong with the way it works, and there is a definite bias in the way its used.
THATS WHY THEY HAVE "TRIED" TO STOP IT!!!
THATS WHY THEY HAVE "TRIED" TO STOP IT!!!
HeXp£Øi± said:
I wasn't refering to the apprehension part. I was refering to the prevetion aspect of things. What made you think I made any reference to some specific case, or some stupid cop trying to make an arrest? Merely because of Gato_Solo's story about how the cop harrassed him? No, I'm speaking generally. But still, what good would it do to tell that cop the man was black or white, since he couldn't tell the difference between a beige and a grey car? I suppose all colors look a like? Or maybe its only the average IQ of CJ people? In either case, leaving out the color of the car would make no difference for this "officer" so why should the race help him anymore?
HeXp£Øi±
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I've just discovered that i'm on a totally different page from you guys. I was referring to profiling after a suspect has been spotted and the police have a general discription of the individual. Maybe i don't even know what the hell profiling is(till now).
If it's profiling without a crime, pretty sure i'd say no under all circumstances.
I thought something didn't quite fit.
If it's profiling without a crime, pretty sure i'd say no under all circumstances.
I thought something didn't quite fit.
Well, it works both ways. Its just that I think MOST us were assuming you meant in the BEFORE sense, I mean those refering to looking for terorrists at least.
I will agree, race would be a useful think to know to apprehend a suspect, but when you are merely trying to assess the risk of an individual, and whether he or she may be a threat or commit a crime, its a little different. It is necessary in the sense you were thinking, but its discrimination and racism in the sense I was thinking.
I will agree, race would be a useful think to know to apprehend a suspect, but when you are merely trying to assess the risk of an individual, and whether he or she may be a threat or commit a crime, its a little different. It is necessary in the sense you were thinking, but its discrimination and racism in the sense I was thinking.
Gato_Solo
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Fact of the matter is...you should not bother someone for something they haven't done yet. This isn't the world of Minority Report, and thank God it isn't. Just because I look like I might commit a crime, it doesn't mean I will commit a crime. It's a slap in the face to everyone who's ever been stopped (harassed) for no reason other than 'He/She looked dangerous?'.
unclehobart
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I get that too. I downdress, rarely shave, have long hair, big ugly and mean. I get triple takes from officers and whatnot. My own neighborhood probably thinks that Im one of the lawncare boys because I dont drive a Lexus/BMW concoction in a suit and tie.
HeXp£Øi±
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I've never even thought about the before aspect of it because it's ridiculous. I had no idea this was what the contraversy entailed. Gee i'm sure glad i started this thread.?(
Trying to predict possible human action based on the past actions of others would be as useful as discovering who was evil by catigorizing the shape of peoples faces and determining similear face shapes of people throughout history.
Trying to predict possible human action based on the past actions of others would be as useful as discovering who was evil by catigorizing the shape of peoples faces and determining similear face shapes of people throughout history.
Well, last time 2 times I was in Frankfurt I saw lots pictures of "known terrorists" posted on wall at the security check point, at least for all flights bound for the US. I don't remember seeing something like this in the US, but maybe I just missed it. I don't see anything wrong with this, or asking some questions to someone with a strong resemeblence to some one on the wall.
Actually, I'm betting you wouldn't need to. You have to have a set of balls to try to get through after seeing your photo posted on the wall!!!
Do they do this in the states now too? I didn't notice it anywhere!!!
Actually, I'm betting you wouldn't need to. You have to have a set of balls to try to get through after seeing your photo posted on the wall!!!
Do they do this in the states now too? I didn't notice it anywhere!!!
Gato_Solo
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If I look similar to a wanted felon, and I am stopped by the police, then I don't mind. If I look nothing like the offender, then we have a problem. The last thing I want to hear is 'The offender is a black male'. So's Bill Cosby. Go stop him. So's Jesse Jackson. Knock on his door. How many times have you seen a white male 'randomly stopped' by the police with no criminal activity in the vicinity? It's a crock the way it's done now, plain and simple.
unclehobart
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The Israelis profile like a mofo. The police and airport authorities grill you 8 ways to sunday on anything and everything in an attempt to trip up the bad guys into revealing themselves through nervousness and such. They make no apologies at being heavy handed.