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outside looking in
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When you get tired attacking the action, attack the man. When you tire of that, attack his family. Go back as far as needed to eliminate your boredom.
I think the associated body counts DO create a difference...
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
And what does all the above tell you about the similarities between this current fiasco and WWII? NOT A DAMN THING! Know why? Because this thread wasn't started to do what you folks have done. It was started to show how we all react to our own ideas. Flavio immediately attacked numbers, which had nothing to do with the idea of the post. I doubt he even knows the exact breakdown (only 54 civilians were killed during the Pearl Harbor attack, BTW). He argues the old avoidance method. Avoid the point by attacking what isn't as important, thereby ruining the real discussion. Chcr takes a totally different tack by bringing up Oklahoma City. Too bad that wasn't the point, either, but military action did take place in Oklahoma in a town called Tulsa in response to a supposed terrorist attack. Different thread, though.
Squiggy immediately went on the attack, by claiming that there is nothing similar at all, and pushed Dubya into the center. Not the point of the thread, either, Squiggy. You're probably angry right now, so please don't respond till you cool off a little. As for the otherreferences about the Kennedy clan, I'm quite surprised at you, also, Gonz. Slinging mud instead of just sticking with the topic is beneath both of you. Shame, shame.
Ris, bless his heart, was closest to the idea of this thread, by noting the differences between the 2 actions.
Clearly the only person who actually thought through his response instead of jumping on the bandwagon of lunacy that prevails here. This next bit is for him, and the rest of you can argue around what we post. 
The time between 1918 and WWII was spent forcing Germany to pay for all the damages done during WWI through the old League of Nations (henceforth called LN). The German economy was in a shambles, and LN had inspectors running all over the countryside enforcing a treaty which stated that Germany would produce no military weapons. This, obviously, didn't work, and, during the latter part of this time, Germany had a very large hidden military buildup. Hitler came along and accelerated the process, and used foreigners and Jews as scapegoats for Germany's ills. Iraq was under sanctions by the UN, has been purported to have hidden military programs, and has yet to show what happened to most of the chemical and biological weapons programs they had during the interim between Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom. They have proven quite adept at hiding their programs, just as Germany did between WWI and WWII. Germany had an atomic weapons program...Iraq had a nuclear weapons program.
I just noticed the similarities between the two eras. Wierd, ain't it?
Squiggy immediately went on the attack, by claiming that there is nothing similar at all, and pushed Dubya into the center. Not the point of the thread, either, Squiggy. You're probably angry right now, so please don't respond till you cool off a little. As for the otherreferences about the Kennedy clan, I'm quite surprised at you, also, Gonz. Slinging mud instead of just sticking with the topic is beneath both of you. Shame, shame.
Ris, bless his heart, was closest to the idea of this thread, by noting the differences between the 2 actions.
Clearly the only person who actually thought through his response instead of jumping on the bandwagon of lunacy that prevails here. This next bit is for him, and the rest of you can argue around what we post. The time between 1918 and WWII was spent forcing Germany to pay for all the damages done during WWI through the old League of Nations (henceforth called LN). The German economy was in a shambles, and LN had inspectors running all over the countryside enforcing a treaty which stated that Germany would produce no military weapons. This, obviously, didn't work, and, during the latter part of this time, Germany had a very large hidden military buildup. Hitler came along and accelerated the process, and used foreigners and Jews as scapegoats for Germany's ills. Iraq was under sanctions by the UN, has been purported to have hidden military programs, and has yet to show what happened to most of the chemical and biological weapons programs they had during the interim between Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom. They have proven quite adept at hiding their programs, just as Germany did between WWI and WWII. Germany had an atomic weapons program...Iraq had a nuclear weapons program.
I just noticed the similarities between the two eras. Wierd, ain't it?
Squiggy
ThunderDick
For the record, Gato...I was refering to Hitler when I spoke of "that bad man." And you know damn well your post was intended to invoke similarities between our reaction to Sadam and our reaction to Hitler....
For you to have stated that we knew very little about Hitler was false and misleading and that was what initially drew my ire...The rest just developed as threads do...
For you to have stated that we knew very little about Hitler was false and misleading and that was what initially drew my ire...The rest just developed as threads do...
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Squiggy said:
1. Where in my post does it say we know very little about Hitler? I put nothing there that was false or misleading.
2. That's right...similarities. Not between Saddam and Hitler, but between the reactions to both. For the record...Niether Hitler, or Saddam, attacked the US first.
flavio
Banned
You're post had no real point which I noticed right away.
You can draw more similarities between US under the current administration and Nazi Germany than you can with Iraq. What does that tell you? Not a whole lot.
This just a weak attempt to justify the actions of criminals who lied to their country to get support for a war.
You can draw more similarities between US under the current administration and Nazi Germany than you can with Iraq. What does that tell you? Not a whole lot.
This just a weak attempt to justify the actions of criminals who lied to their country to get support for a war.
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Squiggy said:
We didn't know the situation inside and out. Not until we were already fighting. But that's not the reason for this thread.
I'll put it another way...
Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy, and Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln...Ring any bells, now?
outside looking in
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OT, but I just finished watching the movie "The Pianist." Great movie. It reinforced my initial shock at hearing someone compare what Hitler did and what Bush/Bush administration has done.
flavio
Banned
outside looking in said:
Gato tries to compare Nazi Germany to Iraq and sure there's a couple similarities, you can also easily compare US actions to Nazi Germany and find similarities, you could find similarities between Hitler and my neighbors weiner dog if you wanted to.
It's all avoiding the issue though.
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Squiggy said:
Now I'm angry. You're a mindreader now? Perhaps you're omnipotent. No. You don't know why I posted that, and as long as you assume that tripe, you'll never get a clue. I posted that for the reasons I stated. To show the similarities between 2 actions. As for the 'truth, justice, and American way" that carried 'us' through WWII, just remember that not all Americans had that. You're full of shit on this one, and you know it. You're trying to supplant what I wrote and warp it to something that you can fit into your idea of who I am. You, not me, are in the wrong here, and I found that last sentiment of yours to be both pompous and arrogant.
