Reason number 324848567

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St. Paul (AP) Robert Morrell wondered what was up after his Northwest Airlines flight touched down.

Nobody from the flight crew got on the intercom to welcome passengers to Rapid City, S.D. He looked out the window and saw barracks-like structures and military officials. And then the crew told passengers to pull down their window shades.

Turns out it wasn't Rapid City Regional Airport. It was Ellsworth Air Force Base.

After about five minutes, a voice from the cockpit broke the news to the passengers aboard Flight 1152 from Minneapolis-St. Paul.

"He (the pilot) hemmed and he hawed and he said, 'We have landed at an Air Force base a few miles from the Rapid City airport and now we are going to figure out how we're going to get from here to there,"' Morrell told the St. Paul Pioneer Press on his cell phone during the delay Saturday.

The delay stretched past three hours as the 117 passengers waited in the nearly full Airbus A-319.

During that time, military officials questioned the crew. Eventually, the captain and first officer were replaced by a different Northwest crew, which made the short hop to the right airport, three hours and 42 minutes late.
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WCCO
 
I personally think "all" air traffic controllers should be military.
I can't figure out step haven't been taken to atleast move
more military into this area, to start phasing out, or minimizing
private involvement more. (money I guess)
 
Because air travel is a private enterprise? At least as private as twenty million investors can make it.
 
I see where it being private is a good thing, but IMO, it's not
being handle right by the owners. It's just getting too dangerous
not to involve the military more. Of coarse it would probably get
abused like all the other stuff the gov. has their hands in. :shrug:
 
Reason number 324848567 :shrug:

Hey you think I might have found some common ground that libs, and cons,
agree on? :D (NOT to do this)
 
catocom said:
I see where it being private is a good thing, but IMO, it's not
being handle right by the owners. It's just getting too dangerous
not to involve the military more. Of coarse it would probably get
abused like all the other stuff the gov. has their hands in. :shrug:
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it's not like every twat can just start being an airtraffic controller...they get a lot of training, and they take their job extremely serious.
i know a few people who do that kind of thing, and everybody there is very aware of the fact that they are responsible for a lot of lives.

who says that the military guys are better trained? who says they are able to do a better job?
 
The military may not be better, maybe as good, :shrug: .... in some places.
I just don't think the training, or how good someone picks it up, is the
same all over. (consistant)
I dunno, maybe the "standards" just need to be checked, or tightened up more.
 
catocom said:
I personally think "all" air traffic controllers should be military.
I can't figure out step haven't been taken to atleast move
more military into this area, to start phasing out, or minimizing
private involvement more. (money I guess)
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In this case it was the military that was in control of the flight in question,at least thats how I read it.
:confused:

Ellsworth controls all airplanes in airspace 40 miles around the base and clears flights to land at both the Rapid City airport and the base. Ellsworth confirmed with Rapid City airport officials that the Northwest plane was authorized in the airspace.
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Winky said:
The air traffic controller wasn't
flying the airplane!
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yep I actually missed a few points on this story my self.....
It does seem to have been pretty much, if not all the pilots fault.
It seems he should have communicated better, to make sure he was
it the right place before decent.
 
style nouveau...

"we landed in NY"

oh wait.

"we landed in Los Angeles"

errr...

"we landed in Dubai"

uhm, please let me correct myself...

"this is your captain speaking, we just arrived at Schiphol Airport Amsterdam.."

what the..?

"we landed somewhere."
 
Shadowfax said:
style nouveau...

"we landed in NY"

oh wait.

"we landed in Los Angeles"

errr...

"we landed in Dubai"

uhm, please let me correct myself...

"this is your captain speaking, we just arrived at Schiphol Airport Amsterdam.."

what the..?

"we landed somewhere."
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:rofl2:

makes me glad I not planning a flight in the foreseeable future. :D
 
A.B.Normal said:
In this case it was the military that was in control of the flight in question,at least thats how I read it.
:confused:
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The ATC's are like traffic monitors. They can put you in the right direction, but it's up to the pilot to go to the right destination. ;)
 
Even if drugs or alcohol were not involved, incidents like this highlight the need for drug testing in high risk occupations. Would you like your airline mechanic smoking a joint before he goes over the critical checklist and forgets something cuz he was stoned?
 
there is no indication or any word that the guy was using drugs...what is the need for drug testing then? the pilot landed on the wrong airfield; these guys ARE tested for drugs and alcohol use, according to FAA regulations.
these people aren't street punks, but well educated people, who have to EARN their job by proving themselves, not by any other means.

a little bit more respect towards these guys wouldn't be out of place...
 
Lay off the Drugs their Dood!

But don't fergit yer Lithium M'Kay

Listen up ya Landlubbers I flew puddle jumpers
from 83 to 87 (Cessna's) just "because I could".
Private Pilot (single engine land) VFR

The PIC (Pilot in Command) is er um in command and
responsible for the Aircraft.
and
Check it. In the history or airplanes and airports this thing has happened countless times already.

The idea that the military should take over CONTROL of the airspace over the United States is so insane it makes me wanna puke.

Oh and Gonz most pilots don't make squat
but then they are just bus drivers.

And like Forest Gump said.
And that's all I have to say about that!
 
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