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A Muslim imam brought in to lecture students at Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo apparently generated no controversy when he said women should only work in administrative jobs and should cover themselves in public because they are too tempting to men, reports the Kalamazoo Gazette.

Imam Siraj Wahhaj of Masjid Al-Taqwa mosque in Brooklyn, N.Y told about 400 students, faculty and staff at the college that women should never sacrifice their primary role as caregivers and mothers for a secondary one in a career. He also said women in administrative roles makes sense but "would you want to work with or depend on being saved by a woman firefighter?"

The event, dubbed Making the Connection, was described as an “evening of education, free-form discussion and a sumptuous Middle Eastern dinner.” Instead of sparking paroxysms of rage among the audience and women on campus, however, the reaction as described by the paper was downright civil.

Any bets on what would have happened had the speaker been a member of the Promise Keepers or a Young Republican?

**from tonguetied.us**



So....whaddaya think? Are segments of our campus population becoming so sympathetic to the Muslims that statements such as these can go unchallenged even among that highly charged audience? Would similar statements professed from the mouth of a televangelist receive similar calm reception? Is not sexism always sexism?

Please...discuss it amongst yourselves...I'm all verklempt (or however it's speeled)...I feel overcome with a sense of shame when hypocrisy such as this is not exposed...

(then again, it IS Michigan...no use looking for logic amongst the illogical...)
 
Any bets on what would have happened had the speaker been a member of the Promise Keepers or a Young Republican?

Given the context of the evening, I would have expected the same thing to happen. I might have been wrong, but that's what I would have expected. :shrug:

I note that they left out the part that women don't have souls. :rolleyes:
 
chcr said:
Given the context of the evening, I would have expected the same thing to happen. I might have been wrong, but that's what I would have expected. :shrug:

I note that they left out the part that women don't have souls. :rolleyes:

I have the exact opposite view. There'd have been a lynching. Any American male saying things like that, without bodygaurds and a loaded weapon, would have been pelted with more than just insults...
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What would you expect them to do... storm the stage and head but this guy?

We're talking a University dinner and speaker.... if 'Merican uni's are anything like ours... they'd have behaved civily then vowed for him NEVER to return... then the students would hold a protest after the event!
 
ClaireBear said:
What would you expect them to do... storm the stage and head but this guy?
:grinyes:

ClaireBear said:
We're talking a University dinner and speaker.... if 'Merican uni's are anything like ours... they'd have behaved civily then vowed for him NEVER to return... then the students would hold a protest after the event!

Trust me. If I had been the speaker, and said those words, I wouldn't have made it off campus intact...and I'm talking about my experiences from over 20 years ago. It's gotten less civil since then... :eek:
 
Gato_Solo said:
I have the exact opposite view. There'd have been a lynching. Any American male saying things like that, without bodygaurds and a loaded weapon, would have been pelted with more than just insults...
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evening of education, free-form discussion
Are you saying that these women couldn't have the same civil discussion with an American male that they could have with a middle-eastern one?

I hope you're wrong, but you might be right.

It's gotten less civil since then
That's certainly true.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Trust me. If I had been the speaker, and said those words, I wouldn't have made it off campus intact...and I'm talking about my experiences from over 20 years ago. It's gotten less civil since then... :eek:

Ahhhh... seems like your unis are more like our newer unis...

The old traditional reputable establishments (Oxbridge, Durham (alma matar!) Edinbrugh) would have held their veiws, sat uncomfortably, then quickly ushuered said speaker out of the gounds quick smart...

The students if any were present at all... would all be too "nice young middle/upper class" people to do anything about it other than perhaps interject... but under the watchful eye of the faculty, Dene and Principle... probrbly not a wise move!
 
I think we're probably forgetting who the audience likely was. It's not as if this were a lecture in front of unsuspecting people from all walks of life. :shrug:
 
chcr said:
Are you saying that these women couldn't have the same civil discussion with an American male that they could have with a middle-eastern one?

Exactly...because 'He doesn't know any better'...

ClaireBear said:
Ahhhh... seems like your unis are more like our newer unis...

The old traditional reputable establishments (Oxbridge, Durham (alma matar!) Edinbrugh) would have held their veiws, sat uncomfortably, then quickly ushuered said speaker out of the gounds quick smart...

Ever see that scene in the original movie Frankenstein...with the torches and pitchforks? :D
 
Leslie said:
nice vote of confidence there :finger:

It's true, though. This guy comes from a completely different culture, where women are less than men. It has nothing to do with confidence, and everything to do with expectations. If you expect a person to be an asshole, then it affects you a whole lot less...;)
 
and of course we're all far too dense to expect comments such as this from a "Muslim imam brought in to lecture students"

Nice.
 
Leslie said:
and of course we're all far too dense to expect comments such as this from a "Muslim imam brought in to lecture students"

Nice.

Never said that. Just that, if it was an American/Canadian...hell...WESTERN male, he'd have been burned at the stake. ;) That's where the hypocrisy comes in...
 
And no, you know enough to not put it into words, but that is the allusion in your posts.

Probably, but he wasn't. He is a cleric from another culture speaking on his culture. People went to see a cleric from another culture speaking on his culture. It's what I'd expect from a cleric speaking on another culture.
 
Leslie said:
And no, you know enough to not put it into words, but that is the allusion in your posts.

And I can only comment on what you say here...for example...

nice vote of confidence there :finger:

and

and of course we're all far too dense to expect comments such as this from a "Muslim imam brought in to lecture students"

Nice.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Never said that. Just that, if it was an American/Canadian...hell...WESTERN male, he'd have been burned at the stake. ;) That's where the hypocrisy comes in...

Well, I don't think your giving them enough credit, but there certainly are people who don't understand that a "western" male who would spout this crap "doesn't know any better" either, or else he wouldn't have said it.
 
chcr said:
Well, I don't think your giving them enough credit, but there certainly are people who don't understand that a "western" male who would spout this crap "doesn't know any better" either, or else he wouldn't have said it.

But there are quite a few more who would take umbrage. I'm sure you've seen the average reaction of a woman who feels 'put upon' by the 'Western patriarchical society'...
 
He is a cleric from another culture speaking on his culture. People went to see a cleric from another culture speaking on his culture. It's what I'd expect from a cleric speaking on another culture.
 
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