Selective tolerence

Re: Selective tolerance

This is just another perfect example of what I've been saying about not understanding
the way people "think" in the ME.
I bet it makes quite a bit of since to 75-90% of the ME population.
Just as Goto said, he probably grew up with those values from birth.
 
Re: Selective tolerance

Cat, they're the same as us, except a hundred or two years behind. My british ancestors were absolutely as barbaric back in the day. :shrug:
 
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So that gives him a free pass to say whatever he wishes, and not one word of protest? That is my complaint...Not that he spoke, and the people listened, but that they were hypocrites for not treating him the same as they would treat a Canadian/US/European male saying the same things. Spin it whichever way you like, but it's still hypocrisy when the wash is done.

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You are right on the money. The only country in the ME that doesn't hold those values is, AFAIK, Israel...and we know how they're faring on the world stage...
 
Gato, I do believe that you alluded that women couldn't hold a civil discussion with someone who held those views, then verified that that is Exactly what you meant. That is my umbrage.

This was a lecture and dinner. Those who attended knew what they were going to hear, they heard it, ate and went home. If I went to a biblethumping dinner, I'd hear the same old crap. I wouldn't freak out and have an uncivil tantrum there either.
 
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Leslie said:
Cat, they're the same as us, except a hundred or two years behind. My british ancestors were absolutely as barbaric back in the day. :shrug:
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Close, true.
I can't get wrapped in the that frame on mind either. :behead: :grinno:
Hell at this point I can't even imagine back when women in this country couldn't vote, and such, or blacks.... :confused:
 
Leslie said:
Gato, I do believe that you alluded that women couldn't hold a civil discussion with someone who held those views, then verified that that is Exactly what you meant. That is my umbrage.
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So you're saying that I could say exactly what he said, and the discussion would stay civil? :lol: Been there, Done that, and won't ever go back. The discussion was anything but civil...
 
k so of course all women are like that. Uh-huh.
You're generalizing m'dear and it isn't pretty.
 
Leslie said:
k so of course all women are like that. Uh-huh.
You're generalizing m'dear and it isn't pretty.
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In my experience, every woman I know is like that...better?
 
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catocom said:
Just as Goto said, he probably grew up with those values from birth.
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According to everything I hear, that is no excuse. If a child grew up from birth in a small town where blacks, gays, and potato farmers were reviled and distrusted, we'd have people lined up around the block to "re-educate" him. See related thread about teaching homosexual tolerence in public schools. So that defense is null and void.

My experience with American college campus society tells me that the typical student who would have attended this event is a wanna-be Bohemian trying to re-live the 60s between bong hits, meth binges, and trips to the oh-so-chic coffee shoppe/internet cafe. They are as clueless as the Valley Girl fad, just less often bathed. They relish the opportunity to display just how non-mainstream they are. Most of them grow up and become accountants; the rest become aging liberals who don't tip pizza delivery guys. :D
 
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SouthernN'Proud said:
According to everything I hear, that is no excuse. If a child grew up from birth in a small town where blacks, gays, and potato farmers were reviled and distrusted, we'd have people lined up around the block to "re-educate" him. See related thread about teaching homosexual tolerence in public schools. So that defense is null and void.
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I wasn't making an excuse, just stating a "why".
Someone like that would have no part in that type of "re-education".
As for the "defense"....I wasn't making a defense, again just stating the "why". ;)
 
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Yep, sometimes even though a position is indefensible or inexcuseable you can still understand where it comes from.

I personally don't think "reeducation" as such works very well (if at all). You can't simply tell someone, "Virtually everything you've ever believed is wrong." They won't accept it. Neither would I. The best you can hope for is to change the culture that created these beliefs. A very slow process, I'll grant you, but I think it's the only one with a chance of success.
 
The defense I refer to would be that of the speaker. If we are to believe all the PC "Toletare this, tolerate that, they can't help it if they make life choices that render them different" crap, then being raised in a culture that epouses certain beliefs is no excuse. Consider the Mississippi (West Virginia, Tennessee...whatever) subsistence farmer who has a 3rd grade education and knows only farming. His kids most likely ain't gonna hear too much about the homosexual agenda that reflects it in a positive light, would we not agree? Hence, some on here and elsewhere would scream that this man's kids need re-educated so they may bask in the glorious light of the truly enlightened. So why does that very argument not apply to Achnad or whatever his name was? My comments were in no way aimed at you; yours was the quote I used to bring reference to the point I was addressing, nothing more.
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
The defense I refer to would be that of the speaker. If we are to believe all the PC "Toletare this, tolerate that, they can't help it if they make life choices that render them different" crap, then being raised in a culture that epouses certain beliefs is no excuse. Consider the Mississippi (West Virginia, Tennessee...whatever) subsistence farmer who has a 3rd grade education and knows only farming. His kids most likely ain't gonna hear too much about the homosexual agenda that reflects it in a positive light, would we not agree? Hence, some on here and elsewhere would scream that this man's kids need re-educated so they may bask in the glorious light of the truly enlightened. So why does that very argument not apply to Achnad or whatever his name was? My comments were in no way aimed at you; yours was the quote I used to bring reference to the point I was addressing, nothing more.
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Oh. I wasn't being defensive anyway, just clarifying my point. ;)
and
It this country, for some reason it seems to make all the difference if the person
was born here, or if they were born elsewhere as to how the person is dealt with,
regardless of the ethnicity. :shrug:
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
Hence, some on here and elsewhere would scream that this man's kids need re-educated so they may bask in the glorious light of the truly enlightened.
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sounds like what's goin on in many muslim countries right now, courtesy of a couple western governments, eh?
 
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