Some new info on the Pickens wind farm scam

[catocom]

Did you miss that part about the Ogallala Aquifer? That's not good for us.

so you are saying, you don't believe in global warming, but you do believe the Ogallala Aquifer will dry up?

 

[jimpeel]

so you are saying, you don't believe in global warming, but you do believe the Ogallala Aquifer will dry up?

Um, I hate to break this to ya, but the Ogallala Aquifer is underground and can't "dry up". It can, however, be pumped dry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer

The Ogallala Aquifer, also known as the High Plains Aquifer, is a vast yet shallow underground water table aquifer located beneath the Great Plains in the United States. One of the world's largest aquifers, it lies under about 174,000 mi² (450,000 km²) in portions of the eight states of South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Texas. It was named in 1899 by N.H. Darton from its type locality near the town of Ogallala, Nebraska. About 27 percent of the irrigated land in the United States overlies this aquifer system, which yields about 30 percent of the nation's ground water used for irrigation. In addition, the aquifer system provides drinking water to 82 percent of the people who live within the aquifer boundary.[1]

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The Ogallala Aquifer is being depleted at a rate of 12 billion cubic meters (420 billion ft3 or 9,729,000 acre feet) per year, amounting to a total depletion to date of a volume equal to the annual flow of 18 Colorado Rivers. Some estimates say it will dry up in as little as 25 years.

And then along comes Pickens ...

 

[catocom]

I like My water rights, and I ain't gonna tell Pickens whay he can do on his land.

I can tell ya...if the Pelosi and the gov. try to take my water rights, there's gonna be a fight.

Pumped dry eh....I think not.

 

[Professur]

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Hilton, who was enraged when McCain used her in an attack on Obama without her permission, says, "Hey America, I'm Paris Hilton and I'm a celebrity too, only I'm not from the olden days (McCain) and I'm not promising change like that other guy (Obama). I'm just hot.

"But then that wrinkly white-haired guy used me in his campaign ad, which I guess means I'm running for President. So thanks for the endorsement, white-haired dude.

"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead."

She then picks up a magazine and adds, "And now I want to present my energy policy for America just after I finish reading this article on where I can fly to to get the best tan... Oh Maui!"

And then the socialite proves she's no dumb blonde by detailing how she will solve America's energy crisis.

She explains, "Barack wants to focus on new technology to cut foreign oil dependency and McCain wants offshore drilling.

"Well, why don't we do a hybrid of both candidates' ideas? We can do limited offshore drilling with strict environmental oversight while creating tax incentives to get Detroit making hybrid and electric cars.

"That way the offshore drilling carries us until the new technologies kick in, which would then create new jobs and energy independence. Energy crisis solved."

Hilton concludes the skit by offering up R+B singer Rihanna as a possible vice-president and suggesting she might paint the White House pink, adding, "I hope that's cool with you guys."

What's the world coming to when Paris Hilton starts making sense????


Source

 

[Professur]

As far as aquifers go, I'd have far more pressing worries about them than them running dry. Such as the sudden collapse of an area larger than texas into the world's biggest sinkhole.

 

[jimpeel]

I like My water rights, and I ain't gonna tell Pickens whay he can do on his land.

I can tell ya...if the Pelosi and the gov. try to take my water rights, there's gonna be a fight.

Pumped dry eh....I think not.

Didja miss this part?

The Ogallala Aquifer is being depleted at a rate of 12 billion cubic meters (420 billion ft3 or 9,729,000 acre feet) per year, amounting to a total depletion to date of a volume equal to the annual flow of 18 Colorado Rivers. Some estimates say it will dry up in as little as 25 years.

 

[2minkey]

Global warming, ala "climate change" is a Hegelian Dialectic.

please explain what this means. i'm really curious how such a fancy pants idea applies to this issue.

 

[catocom]

Didja miss this part?

nope,

did you miss this part?

Some estimates say

 

[MrBishop]

please explain what this means. i'm really curious how such a fancy pants idea applies to this issue.

It comes down to 'you have one group of ideas, an opposing view and some tension...the tension is resolved when the two points of view meet in a middle-ground somewhere.

So, you have the 'the end is neer' people on one side, the 'green-conspiracy theory people' on the other..and somewhere in the middle is the truth of what's happening and may happen in the future.

Right now...the 'green conspiracy' people are being silenced, or worst - denounced. The Dialectic is flawed and the real solution (if there is one) will never be found.

The pendulum will swing towards the 'end is neer' people's solutions regardless of whether it's effective or damaging.

Normally, in scientific debates, the dialectic is the primary method used. Someone comes up with a theory, it's tested and if disproved fails. If it's proven, it goes on (being tested and modified occasionally) until it is considered a 'fact'.

In the case of global warming/climate change...this isn't happening. It's assumed to be factual.

Hence the reference to Hegelian Dialectic. (Hegel's description to a dialectic argument).

 

[spike]

Didja miss this part?

Jim, people can't have any effect on nature. Can you stop a tornado with your hand?

 

[2minkey]

Hence the reference to Hegelian Dialectic.

thanks but i'd really like to hear this from jim in his own words, since he's the fella that made the reference.

 

[jimpeel]

please explain what this means. i'm really curious how such a fancy pants idea applies to this issue.

Try HERE for a detailed explaination on Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770-1831) and his philosophies.

Essentially, as used in my comment, the Hegellian dialectic goes thusly:

The authors create a "crisis" (thesis) for which they have a preconceived "solution" (antithesis); and when the crisis fails to manifest they take credit for their "solution" having prevented the "crisis" (synthesis).

By this scheme the authors gain monetary and/or political power via deception of the masses. Al Gore is a master of this philosophy. The Reichstag fire was a classic Hegellian dialectic in its perfect deception of the masses. Hitler gained limitless power from it.

 

[jimpeel]

Jim, people can't have any effect on nature. Can you stop a tornado with your hand?

Ya know, once in a while you should simply follow the links and get the answer yourself. That is why I include the links so you can get the information that is not in the synopsis.

This is the part you need to pay attention to:

Aquifer water balance

An aquifer is a groundwater storage reservoir in the water cycle. While groundwater is a renewable source, reserves replenish relatively slowly. The USGS has performed several studies of the aquifer, to determine what is coming in (groundwater recharge from the surface), what is leaving (pumping and baseflow to streams) and what the net changes in storage are (rise, fall or no change — see figure above). Simply put, water in, minus the water out, is equal to the change in water stored in the aquifer. This type of mass-balance "accounting" is how hydrologic budgets are performed, and is a crucial first step in sustainable management of any natural resource.

The Ogallala Aquifer is being depleted at a rate of 12 billion cubic meters (420 billion ft3 or 9,729,000 acre feet) per year, amounting to a total depletion to date of a volume equal to the annual flow of 18 Colorado Rivers. Some estimates say it will dry up in as little as 25 years. Many farmers in the Texas High Plains, which rely particularly on the underground source, are now turning away from irrigated agriculture as they become aware of the hazards of overpumping.[4]

So this CAN be controlled and trying to equate it to a tornado is specious at best and downright silly at its worst.

You should also pay close attention to this from the USGS.

 

[catocom]

While groundwater is a renewable source, reserves replenish relatively slowly.

ATM jim this is the kind of wording that concerns me.

Really, if you see anything else adverse, I'd sure like to hear it.
I'm all about the best solution, period.

 

[jimpeel]

ATM jim this is the kind of wording that concerns me.

Really, if you see anything else adverse, I'd sure like to hear it.
I'm all about the best solution, period.

A lot of that "relatively" is based on this part:

Groundwater recharge

The rate at which recharge water enters the aquifer is limited by several factors. Much of the plains region is semi-arid with steady winds that hasten evaporation of surface water and precipitation. In many locations, the aquifer is overlain, in the vadose zone, with a shallow layer of caliche that is practically impermeable; this limits the amount of water able to recharge the aquifer from the land surface. However, the soil of the playa lakes is different and not lined with caliche, making these some of the few areas where the aquifer can recharge. The destruction of playas by farmers and development then decreases the available recharge area. The prevalence of the caliche is partly due to the ready evaporation of soil moisture and the semi-arid climate; the aridity increases the amount of evaporation which increases the amount of caliche in the soil. Both mechanisms reinforce the difficulty recharge has in reaching the water table.

 

[catocom]

looks like guesswork there.
I don't see any numbers, and they admit there's many variable,

Kind like a poll.
I'm trying to figure out how I got on the same page as spike about the propaganda sites.

Wiki, ? come one

Name us several different science orgs that have studied this?

 

[2minkey]

Try HERE for a detailed explaination on Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770-1831) and his philosophies.

Essentially, as used in my comment, the Hegellian dialectic goes thusly:

The authors create a "crisis" (thesis) for which they have a preconceived "solution" (antithesis); and when the crisis fails to manifest they take credit for their "solution" having prevented the "crisis" (synthesis).

By this scheme the authors gain monetary and/or political power via deception of the masses. Al Gore is a master of this philosophy. The Reichstag fire was a classic Hegellian dialectic in its perfect deception of the masses. Hitler gained limitless power from it.

hey thanks for the link. not convinced. cut the random bullshit and tell me what you mean.

what did all that hegel shit mean in context of european philosophy within which it arose? how does it relate to your ideo*fap?*

nope.

next time, stick to shit you know and don't try to mesmerize with obscure references.

 

[jimpeel]

looks like guesswork there.
I don't see any numbers, and they admit there's many variable,

Kind like a poll.
I'm trying to figure out how I got on the same page as spike about the propaganda sites.

Wiki, ? come one

Name us several different science orgs that have studied this?

Holy shit, people! What the fuck do I have to do; reach through the fuckin' monitor, take you by the hands, and type on your keyboard?

READ THE LINK!!!!

Don't just do what Spike does and reject everything out-of-hand as soon as you see the source. Most of the stuff posted on Wiki is cut n' paste from legitimate sources. Did you even LOOK at the references???? Here they are:

References

^ Dennehy, K.F. (2000). "High Plains regional ground-water study: U.S. Geological Survey Fact Sheet FS-091-00". USGS. Retrieved on 2008-05-07.
^ North Plains Groundwater Conservation District
^ High Plains Underground Water Conservation District #1 (Texas) retrieved April 9, 2007.
^ "Ogallala aquifer - Water hot spots", BBC News (?).
^ Farmers' tower of power. Jeremy P. Meyer, Denver Post. October 2, 2006. Last accessed October 24, 2006.
^ USGS Fact Sheet 2007-3029: Changes in Water Levels and Storage in the High Plains Aquifer, Predevelopment to 2005
^ Shrinking aquifer looms as big problem for farms. Nancy Cole, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. September 24, 2006. Last accessed October 24, 2006.
^ Column - Mansel Phillips: Too many thirsty industries, not nearly enough water. Mansel Phillips, Amarillo Globe News. October 4, 2006. Last accessed October 24, 2006.
^ Another sign of long-term water worries. Lincoln Star Journal. October 8, 2006. Last accessed October 24, 2006.
^ Amazing Spider-Man #519-524

External links
"The Ogallala Aquifer" Manjula V. Guru, Agricultural Policy Specialist and James E. Horne, President & CEO, The Kerr Center for Sustainable Agriculture, Poteau, Oklahoma
USGS High Plains Regional Groundwater Study
A Legal Fight in Texas over the Ogallala Aquifer
Kansas Geological Survey information on the High Plains / Ogallala Aquifer
Rapid Recharge of Parts of the High Plains Aquifer Indicated by a Reconnaissance Study in Oklahoma

Do I have to include the hotlinks also or can you all find them on your own??

USGS is the abbreviation for United States Geological Survey an official United States government agency charged with this very type of task.

Wiki has nothing to do with the factuality of the official studies. If you believe that it does then you must walk through life with blinders on.

FUCK!! WHY DO I BOTHER?

 

[jimpeel]

hey thanks for the link. not convinced. cut the random bullshit and tell me what you mean.

what did all that hegel shit mean in context of european philosophy within which it arose? how does it relate to your ideo*fap?*

nope.

next time, stick to shit you know and don't try to mesmerize with obscure references.

Honest ... really ... you still don't get it? I know you are smarter than that but here goes.

Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is the thesis. They made it up. There is no hard evidence that AGW even exists. Even if it does it is so miniscule in the greater scope of things that it is entirely negligible.

Demanding that the people of the United States change their behavior is the antithesis. That is their "solution" to the thesis. They glean power and influence through this ruse. The solution (antithesis) will have absolutely no impact on the thesis because the crisis (thesis) does not exist. They made it up.

The thesis will not manifest itself because it does not exist. They made it up. Their solution (antithesis) cannot have any effect on the thesis because the thesis does not exist. They made it up.

When the thesis fails to manifest, they will claim that the antithesis prevented it thus the synthesis is complete. They take the credit. They claim the power and influence and stature which they have gained as the saviors of mankind.

Get it? It is a classic Hegellian Dialectic. You can deny it if you wish but in that case perhaps a fresh reading of Part 4 at the link is in order.

Then, again, Part 9 at the link may shed some light.

The Scientific Side:
Hegel's Dialectic as Interpreted by Gavin Schmitt: "To Hegel, understanding what something is not helps to better understand what something is (and conversely, the more we know what something is, the more we know what it is not). The concept or object (which we call a "realization of the concept") is "affirmed" by its opposite....Often times Hegel's method is explained as "thesis, antithesis, and synthesis." This was, in fact, the way it was explained to me in my introductory classes and the way it appears in many philosophic dictionaries. If we start with a certain idea or object, this idea or object is the thesis. Any idea or object we compare contrary to the thesis is the antithesis. The outcome is the synthesis, a better understanding of the thesis and occasionally a "higher" step in the world of ideas (as we will see in a moment when I discuss history)."

 

[spike]

So this CAN be controlled and trying to equate it to a tornado is specious at best and downright silly at its worst.

You don't remember being downright silly and specious comparing a tornado to global warming do you?

"Try to stop a tornado; a hurricane; an earthquake; a tidal wave; a volcano. YOU CAN'T!" - Jimbo

But at least we got you to admit that humans can have an effect on the environment, albeit only when it's convenient for a particular rant. You're partway there though.

Keep sticking your head in the sand and fighting the good fight for environment irresponsibility and corporate greed. At least its' promising to see you concerned about some environmental issue even if it's only momentarily self serving in your larger irresponsible agenda.