STUPID: 10 more former communist countries want to join NATO

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SOURCE: http://www.modbee.com/24hour/global/story/457943p-3665032c.html

RIGA, Latvia (AP) - Hopes were high at a summit of 10 former communist countries aspiring to join NATO, and many delegates on Saturday already were looking ahead to the responsibilities of membership.

The leaders of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia and Macedonia pledged to accelerate reforms and deepen democratic commitments to join the military alliance as they wrapped up two days of meetings in the Latvian capital.

Very stupid. I hardly see a purpose for NATO anymore. Why don't NATO just invite Argentina, China, Taiwan, Australia, South Africa, Nigeria, and Micronesia too?
 
what's wrong with Argentina? (other than their lately economic problems)
 
Originally posted by Shadowfax
And what's wrong with Australia? :confuse3:

I think it has something to do with NATO being the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and Austrailia being in the South Pacific .... but I could be wrong.
 
Sorry, didn't think about that...:D

I thought you were trying to compare Australia to some third-world country :D
 
Ok, so it's the North Atlantic Treaty Org. what do you want, A WTO? That is what it will come to, but I believe the name NATO has stuck just because it's been around so long. We really do have to consider these countries requests, if they are serious about joining, and following certain guidelines, then we should let them join.

I know some of you may subscribe to the Black Helicopter theories of NATO, but I don't believe it, I think with the way the world is evolving, especially with the technology we have, a World Organization is necessary, and if FORMER communist countries are willing to become democracies, then we should welcome them to the world community. We are going to have to come to terms with the fact that we are living on the only planet we have right now, and that moving to another in the forseeable future is not going to happen. A World Organization of countries is the only way we are going to be able to pursuade these extremists to quit the terrorism and bombing that they have become accustomed to in order to get their agenda across.

There have been a couple of threads lately that accused the US of being the worlds policemen. Do you think we should have a world police? I'd like to hear your views.
 
sounds interesting, you should make a thread with a poll about it
 
I fucking wish the USA would withdraw from NATO and the UN, and let them screw themselves up without us.
 
Originally posted by LastLegionary
I fucking wish the USA would withdraw from NATO and the UN, and let them screw themselves up without us.

Thought you might like this . Be sure and read down to the bottom where he discusses defense issues...
 
I think that the US sometimes forgets that not all other Western countries totally depend on the US.
The US gives the rest of the World the idea that the rest of the world needs the US, and not counterwise.

At this point the US is making a big mistake. Of course, the influence of the US on the world economy is fairly large, but there is no way that the US could survive without the support of foreign countries. And at the moment they are acting like they can...not a good development.
But that's all because of the great efforts Mr. Bush is putting into ignoring all treaties made with other countries.

Don't flame me for my opinion please. I like a good discussion concerning this point. Does the majority of the Americans agree on the current governing done by the Bush administration? Or did they like the Clinton administration more, which put a lot of more efforts into cooperating with other countries?

Just some things I'd find interesting to know :)
 
The approval rating of Bush is very high. I don't support everything he does, but he is definitely doing better than Billy boy clinton. I quite approve of more ignoring other countries... they only demonstrate their idioticity and unthankfulness to us all the time.
 
Shadowfax said:
I think that the US sometimes forgets that not all other Western countries totally depend on the US.

When you say "the US," who exactly do you mean? We have a fairly good number of people over here, and I'm just wondering which ones you're assigning this opinion to...

The US gives the rest of the World the idea that the rest of the world needs the US, and not counterwise.

Do you mean every person in the "rest of the World" gets that idea, or are there certain people in particular that you had in mind?

At this point the US is making a big mistake. Of course, the influence of the US on the world economy is fairly large, but there is no way that the US could survive without the support of foreign countries.

You mean that the US economy would collapse, or do you mean that political isolation would destroy us? I'm not sure what's meant by this.

And at the moment they are acting like they can...not a good development.
But that's all because of the great efforts Mr. Bush is putting into ignoring all treaties made with other countries.

To my knowledge, Bush hasn't ignored any treaties that the US has made with other countries. What he has done ignored treaties that the US Senate never ratified. Other presidents might have opted to enforce the treaties, even though they were never ratified, but Bush hasn't done this-- at least, not with some treaties, such as Kyoto.

Don't flame me for my opinion please.

Okie-doke. :p

I like a good discussion concerning this point. Does the majority of the Americans agree on the current governing done by the Bush administration?

Bush has high numbers in the polls, but I don't know if a majority of people would agree with him on the specific issues you've raised. There can be a lot of reasons for why people have an overall favorable opinion of a president ranging from the very shallow to the more sophisticated. My personal opinion of Bush is very mixed, but on this particular issue I agree with him whole-heartedly. There are two issues in this one: 1) the merit of the treaties; and 2) whether a treaty should be enforced even though it wasn't ratified by the Senate. I do not think that Kyoto or the anti-ballistic treaty were good treaties, and I don't think the executive branch should usurp the power of the legislative branch by enforcing a treaty which wasn't ratified. (With regard to Kyoto, I would hope that other countries would follow the US, because it's only purpose is to undo the industrial revolution. Nobody needs that.)

Or did they like the Clinton administration more, which put a lot of more efforts into cooperating with other countries?

Clinton was elected twice, but never with a majority of the vote. Bush actually got more votes than Clinton, even though the contest between him and Gore was so close. I think it's fair to say that a large number of people were fed up with Clinton when he left office, but again, their reasons would be varied. Note that prior to the signing of the Kyoto Accord, both Clinton and the Senate (the latter in a unanimous vote) had said that all countries should be treated the same in the agreement. That wasn't done, and Clinton did not push the treaty in Congress. Whether he would have enforced it or not is an open question. I'm sure he was more sympathetic with it than Bush, and I'm sure Gore was more so than both (Gore being the eco-fascist that he is).

My personal opinion of Clinton is that I loathed him, both on a personal and philosophical level. As for cooperation, it's great as long as it benefits the US, but it's idiotic to sacrifice our interests in the name of getting along with others. That's true for any country.

Hope that answered your questions. :)



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Ardsgaine, I agree with you on certain points, and maybe I didn't express myself as clear as I should have...
By "the US" I mean in first place the government of the US. They are the ones making policies, not the population.
So when I say that the US sometimes forgets that the rest of the world not totally depends on the US, I mean that the Bush administration sometimes tends to forget so, not the population.

You cannot blame foreign countries for getting a wrong impression of the actual goals of the Bush administration. The whole policy is focused on the internal business of the US. That doesn't have to be a problem, and is quite understandable after such an impact as on 09/11...but the Bush administration must not forget the total picture. They cannot an MAY not just ignore the opinions and business from other countries. And in my view they are doing so at the moment.
The whole arrogant attitude the Bush administration has showed the last few months concerning the possible idea of attacking Iraq for instance...all the allies in the war against terrorism were not really, well, fond of that plan. But the Bush administration just ignored the opinions. Plain and simple.
So why can't they see that when they focus so much on the internal affairs in America, they are gonna lose allies?
The whole attitude which the Bush administration shows at the moment, is one of pure arrogance. They do what they like, no matter what the opinion is from other countries.

They just ignored the treaty made in Kyoto, although it wasn't ratified yet. They just ignored all comments made by other countries, and Russia in perticular, when ignoring the anti-ballistic missile treaty...why? Mr. Bush wanted to push his space shield idea through.
It's not a very big deal, in my opinion, because it was an out-dated treaty. But it is the way the Bush administration just pushes things through without even discussing things first.

You cannot just ignore the opinion of all other countries. And the Bush administration is doing so at the moment.
 
Ardsgaine said:
(With regard to Kyoto, I would hope that other countries would follow the US, because it's only purpose is to undo the industrial revolution. Nobody needs that.)

Excuse me, but that's full of crap.
Can you tell us why you think that its only purpose is to undo the industrial revolution??
 
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