Texas GOP: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and porn

[Gonz]

the constitution is not the universal guide to life and society.

That is where you're absolutely wrong. The Constitution was written as to be the sole power granted to the federal government, from the people. It was written & intended to limit the power of the federal government. The Articles of Confederation gave the federal government virtually no power.

A compromise had to be reached. That compromise gave the feds authority over the nation, as a whole, while not subjugating states rights, or of the people. The federal government has so overstepped its authority, for so long and in such a way as to lull the people to sleep. The last 100 years or so, we have given away our rights & given power that was not specifically authorized. Finally, the states, and the people, are waking up.

It may be too late.

 

[2minkey]

right in the lumber yard.

 

[spike]

how about perversion that leads to derangement, That leads some people to sexual assault?

Oh, no, no that could never happen

How is this related? Sexual assault is illegal because it affects another person without their consent.

 

[spike]

The last 100 years or so, we have given away our rights & given power that was not specifically authorized. Finally, the states, and the people, are waking up.

It may be too late.

So your saying your against the Texas taking away these freedoms and abusing their power right?

 

[Gonz]

Not my business. It's a state issue.

 

[spike]

Since when has that kept you from having an opinion? If it was your state would you be against criminalizing these things?

 

[catocom]

How is this related? Sexual assault is illegal because it affects another person without their consent.

1.) read my earlier post

2.) exactly right

 

[valkyrie]

Not my business. It's a state issue.

This is why slavery continued in the US until the Civil War. It was a bone of contention as far back as the First Continental Congress and before that.

This is also why black children were forbidden from attending the white schools and blacks were sent to the back of the bus.

Leaving a civil rights matter in the hands of the states has not fared well for those in the minority in this country. We are not learning from our own history.

 

[catocom]

We are not learning from our own history.

That's because it's been distorted, and much left out.
The north won the right to print the history, and the view from the south
only lives in word passed down.

 

[2minkey]

there's plenty of books that talk about the civil war from the viewpoint of the south.

 

[MrBishop]

That is where you're absolutely wrong. The Constitution was written as to be the sole power granted to the federal government, from the people. It was written & intended to limit the power of the federal government. The Articles of Confederation gave the federal government virtually no power.

A compromise had to be reached. That compromise gave the feds authority over the nation, as a whole, while not subjugating states rights, or of the people. The federal government has so overstepped its authority, for so long and in such a way as to lull the people to sleep. The last 100 years or so, we have given away our rights & given power that was not specifically authorized. Finally, the states, and the people, are waking up.

It may be too late.

Didn't go far enough...it should've limited the states' rights over the people within it. Which is precisely what this is about...the state mandating what it's citizen's can and cannot do. Limiting personal choice and freedoms. As of late, the states have been overstepping their authority and it's populace have been giving away their rights and self-authority to the states' powers that be - who BTW, are no different than the federal's powers that be.

 

[catocom]

there's plenty of books that talk about the civil war from the viewpoint of the south.

And all the schools use them?

 

[valkyrie]

your in Cali though right?
it shouldn't affect you. So how is it anti-freedom for you?

sounds like you are anti-freedom....
not wanting to give texas the freedom to choose.

It's anti-freedom for me. I live in Texas.

Let's put it this way. If one of the states decided to institute Islamic religious law over the current system of justice and legislation would that be OK with the non-Muslims in that state?

 

[spike]

1.) read my earlier post

2.) exactly right

We're not talking about sexual assault. Where's talking about gay marriage, sodomy, strip clubs and porn. These things do not affect other people without their consent and therefore should be legal in a free society.

 

[catocom]

It's anti-freedom for me. I live in Texas.

Let's put it this way. If one of the states decided to institute Islamic religious law over the current system of justice and legislation would that be OK with the non-Muslims in that state?

Institute?
Personally I'm a fan of.....if there's legislation that a good number of people opposed in the state,
it should be put to a majority vote of the constituents.

Now with that said, I think there'd be a problem with constitutionally of it.
Same as with any religion, be it Islam, Christianity, Buddism...

 

[Gotholic]

It's anti-freedom for me. I live in Texas.

Let's put it this way. If one of the states decided to institute Islamic religious law over the current system of justice and legislation would that be OK with the non-Muslims in that state?

That is the problem with a democracy. Your example is a likely scenario with current trends.

 

[Gotholic]

We're not talking about sexual assault. Where's talking about gay marriage, sodomy, strip clubs and porn. These things do not affect other people without their consent and therefore should be legal in a free society.

You would be for legalizing prostitution then?

How about polygamy?

How about incest?

How about bestiality?

 

[spike]

You would be for legalizing prostitution then?

Sure. None of my business.

How about polygamy?

Sure. None of my business.

How about incest?

That one has a high potential to produce very screwed up offspring. So it gets complicated.

How about bestiality?

That one doesn't meet the "consenting adults" requirement.

So are you trying to change the subject or would you like to tell us whether your with or against the Texas GOP and why?

 

[Gonz]

Since when has that kept you from having an opinion? If it was your state would you be against criminalizing these things?

There have been many times I've disagreed with a state, but, since I don't live there, I've just pointed & laughed.

Leaving a civil rights matter in the hands of the states has not fared well for those in the minority in this country. We are not learning from our own history.

Didn't go far enough...it should've limited the states' rights over the people within it. Which is precisely what this is about...the state mandating what it's citizen's can and cannot do. Limiting personal choice and freedoms. As of late, the states have been overstepping their authority and it's populace have been giving away their rights and self-authority to the states' powers that be - who BTW, are no different than the federal's powers that be.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[spike]

There have been many times I've disagreed with a state, but, since I don't live there, I've just pointed & laughed.

If it was your state would you be against criminalizing these things?