The cost of war.

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Defying Pentagon Ban, La. Guard Unit Allows Footage of Returning Coffins.

The Pentagon ban on newspaper and TV images of coffins returning from Iraq suffered an unexpected jolt in Louisiana yesterday...
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WHY won't the Pentagon permit these sorts of things to be released? What are they afraid of? Admiting the true mess that the situation really is?

I don't understand why it is so controversial in the U.S...

How can it be unpatriotic not to acknowledge the deaths of the soldiers that have died for America?

Isn't it about time to face up to the personal, closer-to-home cost of war instead of the daily parade of news bulletins proclaiming what a good effort is being done?

I think every single serviceshould be aired on national television - then lets see how many still support the occupation. :shrug:

Oh, I forgot one small thing: it would probably take up too much $$$precious$$$ airtime...

for you that miss out on getting a bit of 'perspective', heres something that won't be featured too often in your regular, chirpy prime-time news :(

Perhaps Brad and Jen were more important? You can get plenty of images of them - hell, even get paid for broadcasting them!

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Maybe it is time to start confronting the issue, maybe it is time to say enough is enough?
 
We don't have all that many obviously, but the unfortunate deaths are all very televised and publicized.
 
Ban me if you like, I don't give a shit anymore. I'm getting tired of these snot nosed liberal wannabe-know-it-all's trying to tell me right from wrong.


Isn't it about time to face up to the personal, closer-to-home cost of war instead of the daily parade of news bulletins proclaiming what a good effort is being done?
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You know, for someone too chicken shit to help out you have absolutely nothing to say.

Personal? What would you know? Come on now, tell me. Who do you know that got killed over there? For ever one you know I know ten, hell, as liberal as you are, probably one hundred. Take your "personal" crap and leave it at the door sweetheart. It's people like you who fucked up the Vets from Vietnam.

WTF are you talking about? Ever fucking liberal POS paper and news station on the face of the planet is telling us nothing but the bad and nothing of the good that is going on over there. You hear nothing about the schools being rebuilt, the hospitals being rebuilt, the kids going to school everyday and learning something they can use. You hear nothing about the reconstruction of playgrounds or about the kids that frequent them.

Unless you know for yourself, or ever experience for yourself, what combat is like, shut the fuck up! Until that day, take that kiwi and shove it up your ass!
 
TG, I agree 100%.

Although I don't necessarily agree with the reasons in which they are fighting over, I have the utmost respect for all the soldiers that are fighting.

I think it is a disgrace not to acknowledge these soldiers that will never see the light of day again, because they died fighting since YOUR government told them that there is work to be done.

I don't see any reasons why people should not see these coffins returning home. I believe that it is very important for even children to see these images, they should grow up damn well knowing that war is a horrible thing.

Like Les said, when a Canadian gives his life for our country, it is very much televised and publicized.
 
Tg let me ask you this. Why NOW do you people think it so important to show this? I find it disturbing that when we fight a war for other nations this subject is rarely brought up.
But when we fight on what they dont agree with things like this is brought up.

This is nothing new. It has never been US policy to show these coffins as they are in transit. The family does go to the ceremony.

Situational ethics is for weak spineless subpar humans. And that is where i find you, If we were fighting a war on anything for NZ i can guarentee youd not be asking these questions, or marching around on your soapbox proclaiming the US the bad country.
Please read my signature and remember it. If you dont like the way we handle situations, In YOUR time of need dont call on us.
 
Actually, PostCode is right. The mainstream media in this country reports all of the bad and very little of the good that we are trying to do in Iraq. They seem to revel in it, in fact. I'm no fan of bloodshed, and I'm starting to have reservations about why exactly we're still there, but I do find the bias that has been perpetrated against this effort since day one appalling.

And, no, not even Peter Jennings (one of our representative ex-Canuck leftie news anchors) discusses celebrity divorces in his half hour. Not everyone here is quite that shallow. :rolleyes:
 
Abooja, Im with ya on why are we still there, But if you think we have a bad reputation now. Have GW announce we are gonna pull out our people in the next month. Watch the acusations fly then. I really felt that as soon as sadam was caught we should have left.
But, like i said then we have to worry about what the rest of the world thinks of us.
 
You're absolutely right, Sam. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. That's probably a small part of the reason why we are still there. Leaving at this stage in the game will only validate our critics' opinions that we had no business being there in the first place. I'm so sick to death of every last nobody telling us how we should conduct our own affairs. They despise the U.S., yet are jealous at the same time that they're not allowed to vote in our elections. :shrug:
 
I refuse to click the 'view post' option, as I've got TG on a semi-permanent ignore. Whenever I start thinking I can taker her off, I see something like this, and it makes me glad I still have her on ignore. Sounds like she has no idea of the difference between 'dislike', and 'disrespect'.
 
This is why we're there...

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Thgis is why we're staying
GW Bush said:
"We are staying on the offensive — striking terrorists abroad — so we do not have to face them here at home,"
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Their next target is here
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The cost of doing nothing

Allied forces driving toward Berlin at the end of World War II discovered the Nazi death camps that contained the corpses and barely living remains of Jews and other enemies of national socialism. When the scale of brutality and murder carefully was laid bare, filmed and documented, a deeply shocked world promised, "Never again!"

But within only a few years the Chinese communists were murdering millions of "small landlords." In the 1970s, Pol Pot succeeded in killing two-thirds of the Cambodian population. Countless dead filled the countryside of the former Yugoslavia, and in 1994 militant Hutus murdered as many as a million Tutsis and Hutu moderates within only three months, supposedly protected by the French government - which, in fact, withdrew its troops - and ignored by the United States and the United Nations.

Now another pandemic of mass murder is being documented, recorded and widely ignored. This time the perpetrator is Saddam Hussein, whose Ba'athist Party was based on that of the Nazis, and accounts of its killing efficiency continue to flow to the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA). The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) reports that since Saddam was ousted 270 sites of mass graves have been reported. These contain an unknown number of Iraqis, Iranian prisoners of war, Iraqi Kurds and Kuwaiti prisoners among the long list of those Saddam tortured and killed. British Prime Minister Tony Blair puts the remains in mass graves at 400,000 so far
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Source
 
Gonz - you're not in Iraq because of 9/11... that's why you and a bunch of other countries are in Afghanistan.

Re: The showing of coffins. TG, you have to understand that the Americans are very conscious of how many of their soldiers have died on foreign soil. They don't need the images to prove it to them...that'd be overkill. The fact that they know these figures and still send their men and women in uniform into a hostile situation means that they feel that this is an 'accepteable loss' . Not that it's a good thing, but an accepteable thing considering the counterweight of the good they feel is being done in Iraq and elsewhere.

I personally don't agree with the reasons stated for invading Iraq ... but I can't begrudge the good they're doing there...the reparations.
 
MrBishop said:
Gonz - you're not in Iraq because of 9/11... that's why you and a bunch of other countries are in Afghanistan.

Re: The showing of coffins. TG, you have to understand that the Americans are very conscious of how many of their soldiers have died on foreign soil. They don't need the images to prove it to them...that'd be overkill. The fact that they know these figures and still send their men and women in uniform into a hostile situation means that they feel that this is an 'accepteable loss' . Not that it's a good thing, but an accepteable thing considering the counterweight of the good they feel is being done in Iraq and elsewhere.

I personally don't agree with the reasons stated for invading Iraq ... but I can't begrudge the good they're doing there...the reparations.
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Well said Bishop.

I do.. somewhat understand their reasoning for not showing the coffins returning. I still don't agree with it at all though. It seems very disrespectful to me.


I would hate to see anyone banned over these posts also.
 
K62 said:
Well said Bishop.

I do.. somewhat understand their reasoning for not showing the coffins returning. I still don't agree with it at all though. It seems very disrespectful to me.
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Death, especially in wartime, is not something that should be plastered over every newspaper, and shown on every television station. It's a private matter, and should involve only family and friends. It has nothing to do with body counts.

As for the title of this thread, I have a counter to it...It's called The Price of Complacency, The Price of Fear, and The Price of Cowardice...Each one, a symbol of what happens when we choose not to get involved on a personal level. :grumpy:
 
Gato_Solo said:
Death, especially in wartime, is not something that should be plastered over every newspaper, and shown on every television station. It's a private matter, and should involve only family and friends. It has nothing to do with body counts.

As for the title of this thread, I have a counter to it...It's called The Price of Complacency, The Price of Fear, and The Price of Cowardice...Each one, a symbol of what happens when we choose not to get involved on a personal level. :grumpy:
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My friend, we obviously see the meaning of these coffins returning home two different ways.

From reading your last post, it looks like all those coffins represent to you is "death".

To ME those coffins represent the cost of freedom, they represent the brave men and women that died for an IDEA, whether they agreed with it or not. Most of all they represent the truth, and the god awful shitty mess of war.

And please don't speak for the world, saying we were not involved on a personal level regarding the concentration camps of world war two. Canada entered the war in 1939! We had 42,000 people killed from a country of only 11,000,000. My grandfathers fought in Italy and in Germany! My uncle was shot in Germany and had to live most of his life with a seized hip that was eventually amputated. Don't tell me that we never got personal against the Germans and that they were doing.



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Here is a grave yard filled with Canadians after the ill-fated raid on Dieppe.

Like coffins of soldiers, to some a military graveyard may only represent death.

I don't know what you see when you look at this image above, but I see a lot more than just "death".

It can be a real wake up call.
 
Do you equally see the cost of apathy or denial or inattention or plain old lack of caring?
 
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