The future of Obamacare


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It seems that the NHS dream is over. The Brits have started moving away from socialized medicine and started opening the privatization box. In the meantime, Obamacare marches on, to its predestined, and apropos, end. Unfortunately, it will take us as long as it has the brits to wake up to the damage and by that time the damage will be done.


13,000 died needlessly at 14 worst NHS trusts

The needless deaths of thousands of NHS patients will be exposed in a report this week.

Laura Donnelly and Patrick Sawer
9:21PM BST 13 Jul 2013

The NHS’s medical director will spell out the failings of 14 trusts in England, which between them have been responsible for up to 13,000 “excess deaths” since 2005.

Prof Sir Bruce Keogh will describe how each hospital let its patients down badly through poor care, medical errors and failures of management, and will show that the scandal of Stafford Hospital, where up to 1,200 patients died needlessly, was not a one-off.

The report will also pile pressure on Labour over its handling of the NHS, with the Conservatives likely to seize on it to attack Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary who was in charge of the NHS in England from June 2009 until May 2010.

The report, due to be published on Tuesday, will:
• Name 14 hospitals as having excess rates of death, with hundreds of patients dying needlessly at each of them since 2005;
• Severely criticise the worst hospital, Basildon and Thurrock University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, which had 1,600 more deaths than would have been expected in seven years – a higher death toll than that at Stafford;
• Show that the warning signs were there for managers and ministers to see, including alarming levels of infections, patients suffering from neglect and appalling blunders such as surgery performed on the wrong parts of bodies.

The report was commissioned in February by the Prime Minister after the inquiry by Robert Francis QC into the Stafford scandal exposed appalling lapses in both care of patients and the regulation of hospitals.

Sir Bruce investigated the 14 hospital trusts with the worst mortality rates over the past two years.
They were: Basildon and Thurrock in Essex; United Lincolnshire; Blackpool; The Dudley Group, West Midlands; George Eliot, Warwickshire; Northern Lincolnshire and Goole; Tameside, Greater Manchester; Sherwood Forest, Nottinghamshire; Colchester, Essex; Medway, Kent; Burton, Staffordshire; North Cumbria; East Lancashire; and Buckinghamshire Healthcare.

Research carried out by one of Sir Bruce’s advisers, Prof Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College London, found that in some cases appalling death rates stretched back to 2005.

In total Sir Brian calculated that up to 13,000 patients died needlessly in that period. His analysis shows that in the last five years of the last Labour government, from 2005 to 2010, eight of the trusts had death rates well above the average in at least four of those years.

Mortality rates at Basildon and Thurrock, Blackpool Teaching Hospitals and East Lancashire Hospitals were statistically “high” – persistently above average – in all of the five years to 2010, while Colchester, Dudley, George Eliot, Tameside and United Lincolnshire were “high” in four out of five years before the general election. At the worst hospital, Basildon and Thurrock, the “mortality ratio” from 2005 until last year was 20 per cent above the NHS average, with up to 1,600 more deaths than there would have been if it had the average level of deaths among its patients.

However, from 2005 until 2009 the hospital was given a “good” rating by NHS regulators, first the Healthcare Commission, then its successor, the Care Quality Commission.

i bet medical care in russia is lousy, too.

but it doesn't have anything to do with what will or won't happen here.

you are the poster child for logical fallacies jim.

are you so desperate to fling poo at your darkie muslim commie overlord that you have relaxed your standards, hah what they fuck am i saying... relax standards... LOL....
History is rife with the failures of socialized medicine and the United States will be no different.

Speaking of relaxing, you need to relax that sphincter. You're gonna hurt yourself.
yeah it's pretty obvious that socialized medicine is for dummiez but your tripe doesn't really help. it just makes 'your side' look ridiculous, desperate, and sad.

gee i'll bet you'd like to help relax my sphincter. should i think of baseball, or puppies?
Tripe, huh? Without people speaking out, shit will happen because silence implies consent
it's really important so make poor, half-witted arguments and come off like a gossip queen?

way to represent, yo.

no thanks.
I live next door to 3 generations, no wait, there's four generations of them now.
It is nice to see the lovely almond skinned mulatto children though. A little coffee
mixed in with the cream adds a dash of tone to our multi-colored neighborhood.

In line with your comment,

“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
- Lyndon B. Johnson
It is nice to see the lovely almond skinned mulatto children though.

I am not a prejudiced person. I have no hatred of any people due to their race or color. However ...

I have dealt with mulattoes throughout my colorful lifetime and I have found them to be the most violent, insane people I have ever had the displeasure of knowing. There is something in that mix that affects their mental capacities to differentiate between right and wrong; and when they go off on someone it is go-for-broke every time. They carry violent behavior to new levels.
I've not had that experience jim. Their trashy white mothers take decent, smart children & are turning them into
lazy, ignorant, worthless adults. One of the kids liked school. He did really well. Until mom & her revolving door
of wanna-be thug boyfriends put an end to that. We watched it happen over a 2-3 year span. Awfully sad.
"The future of "Obamacare".
Reminds me of that song by AC/DC "Shot down in flames".
I think it will have succeeded in helping fix the pre-condition issues, but
there still going to be some not covered. Just like now.
If it ever got fully implemented as is, there will be no independent insurers.
That's been the plan all along. It did not fix the pre-existing conditions
clause in most insurance contracts. It got government more involved in
private corporation decision making. As if that's not why medical costs &
insurance is so high to begin with.
why should gov "fix" pre-existing condition clauses?

so if i'm an insurer the gov should FORCE me to extend coverage to people that are bad risks?

fuck that commie bullshit. insurance companies should be able to NOT do business with whomever they want.