The homosexual agenda

[b] said:
Ok, I'll respond to Mr. Bishop first:

Have you stopped to consider the reason why marriages moved over to the legal realm in the first place? It's all about stuff. Who owns it while your living, and who gets it when you divorce or die.



Actually....it was initially a way of guaranteing that records were being kept in one place instead of in a bevy of individual locations.
 
I apologize Mr. Bishop, I thought your orginal point in your post was that the goverment had taken over the role completely, and my response was to that. I suppose I should say, "Have you stopped to consider the reason why marriages moved over into the legal realm in the second place?"

 
[b] said:
I apologize Mr. Bishop, I thought your orginal point in your post was that the goverment had taken over the role completely, and my response was to that. I suppose I should say, "Have you stopped to consider the reason why marriages moved over into the legal realm in the second place?"



Actually, if you read some of my past posts, you'll find that I am not only one of the more stout supporters of same-sex unions, but the first to point out how weak the state of modern marriage has fallen. I've actually used similar arguments, all to no avail.

There's something about going against the '5,000 year old tradition of the definition of marriage' which puts walls up faster than anything that I've ever seen before. As if such a tradition has never changed in the past. :shrug:

Hi, my name is MrBishop...but around here, they call me:

POSTAL-BOY!
 
[b] said:
"Have you stopped to consider the reason why marriages moved over into the legal realm in the second place?"



I know...it's all about the money and the power...taxation doesn't hurt either :D I think that people's individual greed and their willingness to sue at the drop of a hat, drove it into GVT control more than the GVTs desire for more red-tape beurocratic bullshit :D
 
Per your first seperation link
If there is no power to aid, no aid can be given, regardless of whether there is a ban.

I agree wholeheartedly. In fact read my signatures. However, if we are forced out of the religious business because of what the Constitution says then we are also forced out of the welfare, education, medical business, to name a few, as well.
 
How can you say that you're not trying to say there is a correlation between the two when the next words out of your mouth are to draw a correlation?

it's just the legal ramifications are incredibly similar.

Don't make me do all the work.
 
If we have an agenda it's to simply be treated like human beings

OK, granted, long ago. Next.

if they sign a paper saying that they don't have to pay taxes so long as they abide by those laws, then by god they had better hold up their end of the bargain.

In that case they can't talk about much can they? Especially since damned near every law is based in or upon religious tenet.

Just for grins and giggles, can you please list some examples in how government has taken on the role of churches?

Food stamps...welfare in general. Used to be local & private. LBJ, about 1965 saw some new uses for federal momey.

Have you stopped to consider the reason why marriages moved over to the legal realm in the first place?

Another example of why homosexuals are better than lawyers. ;)

can someone please explain to me the high divorce rate in this country

The rise of radical feminism & the closet exiting homer secks you alls. The ugly bitches convinced the not so ugly wimins that men are the enemy & should be avoided at all costs. Lots of periodicals & dailies used illogical & badly conceived data to create a mythology. It spread like wildfire & some wimins thought hairy underarms was sexy. It's taken almost 40 years to show what damage had been done. Notice that women are re-asserting their right to be moms again. That little turn of events is really pissing off the ugly chicks.
Coming out of the closet, while personally freeing, created a confused class of children & adults. Doubt me? Take a look at the crap going on right now in New Jersey.
People like Anna Nicole & Brittney Spears & all thier idiot friends are not a good example. Notice that people gawk. Like a bad car wreck, there are some gruesome things that our brains say NO to but our inner child demands to see anyway.

Just because we aren't perfect is no reason to quit the search.

If you truly love and trust someone enough to want to marry then and spend the rest of your life with them then it doesn't take god or George Bush to say that you are. What ever happened to a person's word is their bond? Tell me how my belief in what marriage really is tarnishes yours? You can't because it doesn't. You simply can't get a more pure definition.

One marriage. Never divorced. One child from within those confines. I do trust, honor & love her. Explicitlly. You're marriage won't weaken mine. It will help weaken an already shaky establishment. No-fault Divorce has done more damage than can be repaired in a couple of decades. It takes time. We don't need more sand thrown below the base.

allowing same-sex couples to share benefits would save the country billions in health care.

Homosexuals cost more than their fair share individually. More sick time, more illnesses, more major diseases. HOw can they reduce cost by doubling up? Fantasy.

Other benefits include hospital visitation rights that aren't extended to homosexual couples.

If my boyfriend were in a car wreck today I'm the only family he has here. Where is the justice in forcing me to sit in the waiting room while he slips into a coma and dies all alone? Isn't four and half years of a solid loving relationship good enough to prove that I should be at his side.

Horeseshit. Hasn't anyone who prefers same sex partners ever heard of Office Depot or Staples? Hell, what about attorneys. A few of them don't suck (is that offensive to say in a thread with a gay guy :D ) POWERS of ATTORNEY. All kinds of legal crap. No, it doesn't cure everything (like the snobby mom-in-law) but it cures damned near every single legal argument.

Prolifers everywhere throw a party every time a Abortion Clinic gets blown to smithereens.
Just like all queers hang out near the boys room. :rolleyes:

As for NAMBLA,...
They are using the exact same methods the homosexual community use(s, d). Don't like it? Sorry. Look at their arguments & look at yours. Identical. Once one barrier comes down, each subsequent barrier is easier to overcome.


Enough for now.
 
BeardofPants said:
*BoP still doesn't get why govts feel the need to legislate marriage dependent on which hole is getting plugged. :shrug:

Many of our laws are based on community standards. Societal norms that evolve over time - sometimes. What flys in NYC (New York City?!?! :eek: ) will not do so in Cincinatti. Ever hear the expression "How will it play in Peoria"? The heartland has traditional values. The coastlines are in fluctuation.
 
Gonz said:
Many of our laws are based on community standards. Societal norms that evolve over time - sometimes. What flys in NYC (New York City?!?! :eek: ) will not do so in Cincinatti. Ever hear the expression "How will it play in Peoria"? The heartland has traditional values. The coastlines are in fluctuation.

What gets me is how people keeps throwing out the whole buisess about how societal norms evolve, yet are doing their best to squash the process.

 
I love change, especially the way that it jangles in my pocket! Oh wait... that's not money...
 
[b] said:
What gets me is how people keeps throwing out the whole buisess about how societal norms evolve, yet are doing their best to squash the process.

Squash the process? Calling anyone that opposes the idea is bigoted or a homophobe is militant. Forcing people to condone behavior they don’t believe in is not evolution that is revolution; revolutionary, progressive et cetera does not necessarily mean is it a good thing.

I yearn for those days when simplicity, it seemed, was the rule for life.
 
Either way, isn't someone forcing someone? You easily see me wanting what I see as equal rights as something that I shouldn't be allowed to have, therefore forcing me to follow your beliefs. Yet you can only see the other side of the coin, where me wanting what I see as equal rights as forcing you to allow me to have them.

Pot... kettle, kettle... pot.

 
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