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Gato_Solo

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Man with knife kills 8 at Chinese school
Attack is latest in series of similar assaults in recent months

BEIJING - A man with a knife killed eight people at a high school Friday, in the deadliest of a series of knife attacks at Chinese schools in recent months, the government said.
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So now are we going to start a 'knife' ban?

Five teenagers slashed at Indiana high school

Freshman student held in knife attack on classmates
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This is getting out of hand...
 
Lets form a class action lawsuit to enrich some scumbag lawyers & hold the knife manufacturers resdponsible for the damnage caused by their product, m'kay?
 
Gonz said:
Lets form a class action lawsuit to enrich some scumbag lawyers & hold the knife manufacturers resdponsible for the damnage caused by their product, m'kay?
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Thousands of deaths and injuries are nothing to be taken lightly, Gonz. I'm surprised you're taking something this serious so lightly... :nerd:
 
You know, I can't remember the last time I heard about somone hiding in the bushes and taking down a couple of dozen people with a deadly spray of semi-automatic knife stabbing...

Knifings are up close and personal, You have to get within arms length of your victims, who can at least generally have the chance to see you coming.

Apples and oranges.

Hell, lets check out the stats on baseball bat killings. Maybe we need a ban there too. I'm sure the sport can switch to hockey sticks or something :D
 
Camelyn said:
You know, I can't remember the last time I heard about somone hiding in the bushes and taking down a couple of dozen people with a deadly spray of semi-automatic knife stabbing...

Knifings are up close and personal, You have to get within arms length of your victims, who can at least generally have the chance to see you coming.

Apples and oranges.

Hell, lets check out the stats on baseball bat killings. Maybe we need a ban there too. I'm sure the sport can switch to hockey sticks or something :D
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How many times have you heard of someone hiding in the bushes and taking down a couple dozen with a deadly spray of a semi-automatic handgun? Rifle? Not as many as you'd like to think. To top it off...you don't need a license, a background check, or to be over a certain age to buy a knife. Anybody, from prior convicted felons to psychotic murderers can get a knife with no waiting period. You like to call this apples and oranges, but this is exactly how restrictions on firearms started. ;)
 
Apples and oranges?

Tell you what. Take a gun, shot someone and tell me if ain't up close and personal when you see parts of their body fly is various direction as the slug leaves the body. Then watch them either wither in pain on the ground in their own blood or lie still with a large amount of blood and pieces of flesh laying about and have that image burned into your memory the rest of your life.

This isn't to say that a knife isn't deadly. But, in order to "not" feel the one on one intimacy of inflicting death you would have to be on the other side of the world hurlin' bombs from your frontroom.

When I was in Iraq back in 90' I was on a M1A1 tank. I was lucky. I got to shot the other guy a good mile out, well before he could laz on me, let alone touch me accurately. I didn't have to see him "up close and personal". The problem was driving by. Ever smelt burning flesh? Ever smelt burning flesh and know you are the one that did it?

Hate to be so blunt, but up close and personal doesn't just happen with knives.
 
Gato_Solo said:
How many times have you heard of someone hiding in the bushes and taking down a couple dozen with a deadly spray of a semi-automatic handgun? Rifle? Not as many as you'd like to think. To top it off...you don't need a license, a background check, or to be over a certain age to buy a knife. Anybody, from prior convicted felons to psychotic murderers can get a knife with no waiting period. You like to call this apples and oranges, but this is exactly how restrictions on firearms started. ;)
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Exactly.
 
Jihad to extend the sovereign Muslim power:


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-11/26/content_2264019.htm

ZHENGZHOU, Nov. 26 (Xinhuanet) -- All the 12 victims including 8 killed and 4 injured have been identified as senior high school students of the Second Senior High School of Ruzhou City, central China's Henan Province, local police said Friday.

A man broke into the dormitory of the high school with a knife in his hand at 11:45 p.m. Thursday and chopped eight people to death and four others to injury.
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http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-476/_nr-267/i.html

After being shattered by ethnic unrest, calm has returned to the province of Henan in Central China. Thousands of police continued to cordon off individual villages.

The violent clashes in Central China at the end of October were initially hushed up by the government. Foreign media reported numerous casualties as Han Chinese and the Muslim Hui minorities engaged in street fighting, setting off a chain reaction.

Muslims and the Han Chinese have co-existed since the Tang Dynasty in the 7th Century, when Islam was first introduced to China. The Chinese Hui minority is descended from Arab and Persian traders who came to the area centuries ago and married Chinese.

The province of Xinjiang in Northwestern China is home to more than 10 nationalities, including the Uigurs, the second-largest Muslim group in China.

China's government has identified the Uigurs as terrorists; unlike the Hui, the second-largest Muslim ethnic group is a Turkic people with its own culture and language.

Severe human-rights violations are causing a constant rise in tensions between the minorities, the security forces and the Han Chinese immigrants.
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Very small indeed....
Where ever the "religion" goes, its' version of "peace" isn't far behind....
 
Which is more likely cause more death and/or injury? A 17 year old kid with a gun or a 17 year old kid with a knife? Easier to shoot off a bunch of rounds into a crowd before the realization hits you than it is to move on to the next victim after the first victims blood has gushed all over your hand...

I'm talking about people going nuts and taking out their classmates, not an act of war. When did I ever say guns were all pretty and clean? Hell no! I was making an observation that it's much easier to do more and deadlier damage in a shorter period of time and at range with a gun than it is with a knife. *Before* they may even realize the damage they have inflicted and then blow thier own brains out in remorse.

Sorry to be so graphic, as you said.
 
The problem, at least as I see it Cam, is that banning guns treats a symptom but does nothing to address the problem. If anyone could honestly assure me in any meaningful way that absolutely no one would have a gun, then I might be for a ban under those circumstances. Never happen though. :shrug:
 
chcr said:
The problem, at least as I see it Cam, is that banning guns treats a symptom but does nothing to address the problem. If anyone could honestly assure me in any meaningful way that absolutely no one would have a gun, then I might be for a ban under those circumstances. Never happen though. :shrug:
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I agree. Gun control, or lack thereof is quite a convoluted issue. I never talked about banning guns though, not gonna touch that issue on this board with a 10 foot pole ;)

Just trying to make the point that knives and guns, though both can be used to kill, are IMO not comparable in the degree to which they can do harm. This was in response to comments that maybe "knife control" is called for (yeah, I got that this was sarcastic humour ;)).
 
Baseball bats and knives
Tsk Tsk such inefficient methods
when technology offers a superior choice.

Cluster Bombs!!!


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Camelyn said:
I agree. Gun control, or lack thereof is quite a convoluted issue. I never talked about banning guns though, not gonna touch that issue on this board with a 10 foot pole ;)

Just trying to make the point that knives and guns, though both can be used to kill, are IMO not comparable in the degree to which they can do harm. This was in response to comments that maybe "knife control" is called for (yeah, I got that this was sarcastic humour ;)).
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While guns make it easier, knives are more likely to cause the kind of injuries that will end your life. Sure...spraying a crowd can kill a few people, but not too many folks will actually die of a gunshot wound. The shooter has to actually aim, or get real lucky, for that to happen. A knife wound, OTOH, will kill you more quickly because you have a much better chance of hitting a blood vessel, or a major organ. A civilian bullet is an impact weapon, plain and simple. It's actually made to expand once it hits flesh. It creates quite a bit of trauma, but not to the point of instant death that you see on TV. A knife is a cutting weapon. Here's an experiment for you...take a 5 pound bag of flour and whack it with a 'tack hammer' Hit it as hard as you like, but only one time. Then take another 5 pound bag of flour, and stab it with a knife, once again, only one time. Which one has more damage? ;)
 
In Britain you have to be 16 to purchase any knife that could be used as a weapon... that includes cutlery sets if as a retailer you pedantically stick to the mandate.

As with alcohol you have to prove your age if the retailer suspects you're under that age.
 
unclehobart said:
What, pray tell, constitutes a knife that is not considered to be a weapon?
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Rubber palette knife used for loosening pies and cakes from their tins...

I thought that too and there are definitions!!!!!
 
Gato_Solo said:
Possibly a butterknife? Perhaps cutlery for the home...:shrug:
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Anything metal or hard plastic is included... theoretically... most retailers only include those that could be obviously seen as dangerous... steak, paring, bread knives etc etc...
 
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