This sucks...

Gato_Solo

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
I smoke, and I agree that, if someone is bothered by my smoking, I should put out my cigarette, but this goes too far... :mad2: [/url]
 
If I went to a bar that I couldn't smoke at...

Well, I'd be pretty shitfaced pretty quick.
 
Well I applaud that. I fucking hate getting within a 10 meter radius of any smoker. They smell like shit and the obnoxious emissions coming from their mouth infringes on my right to life by depriving me from oxygen. Second hand smoke is even worse than the stuff smokers inhale, and I just get pissed at them. Any anti-smoking legislation will have my full support, up to a point. Banning smoking in public restaurants and bars seems fair to me. If you want to smoke, take it outside, and not near the entrance either. I don't want to exist a building just to breath air with enough minerals and vitamins for the next 6 years.

Sorry, but I'm just not compassionate with smokers. They dirty the air, their body, OTHER people's bodies, make OTHER people sick, are a DRAIN on the public health care in Canada (which is why I don't support public health care but that is beside the point), and the light up wherever they go whenever it pleases them without considering other people. Not to mention a lot of them have to take 10 minute breaks ever few hours just to be able to work. I will not date a smoker. I'm sorry, but thats just me.

/rant off
 
i used to be a smoker, and now i understand why other people get pissed about smokers.

Whenever i return from a bar, my clothes stinks, i wish we had a non-smokers section on bars.
 
we have non-smoking sections on restaurants, and it is forbidden by law to smoke in any public building/office.

Bars are still out of the subject, and it will probly be not rentable (??) since most guys that visit bars are smokers too.
 
They've done it in both bars and restaurants in many jurisdictions in Ontario, it seems to have gone quite well. I have always been in favour of it.
 
It's a violation of the property rights of those who own the bars and restaurants. It should be up to them whether to have smoking in their establishment and how to handle non-smoking sections.

I say that as someone who completely detests cigarette smoke.
 
As a smoker, I do not agree with this. I do not like going to restaurants that I cannot have a cig.

As a person, I actually think this is a good thing. People that don't smoke should not be subjected to the smoke. It is proven that cigarettes are harmful, would they allow a person to walk into a public place and release some other harmful gas? IMO, as hard as it would be to quit, I think cigarettes should be banned.
 
Ardsgaine said:
It's a violation of the property rights of those who own the bars and restaurants. It should be up to them whether to have smoking in their establishment and how to handle non-smoking sections.

I say that as someone who completely detests cigarette smoke.
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that's the actual situation of bars here, and i agree with that "partially".

All establishments needs to have a permission of the federal health dependency, anyone that wants to have a restaurant have the right to don't do it, that's where their rights are, they either choose to accept the rules or to refuse them.
 
Ardsgaine said:
It's a violation of the property rights of those who own the bars and restaurants. It should be up to them whether to have smoking in their establishment and how to handle non-smoking sections.

I say that as someone who completely detests cigarette smoke.
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And as a smoker, I have the right to avoid those establishments, or I need to abide by the management's rules. I can live with that. Let the free market dictate it.
 
Here, on base, smoking inside of any building will be banned in October. This includes the NCO club, even though the NCO club has clearly defined smoking and non-smoking sections. Now, here's the deal...the smoking section brings in the most business. Justify that one.

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Well I applaud that. I fucking hate getting within a 10 meter radius of any smoker. They smell like shit and the obnoxious emissions coming from their mouth infringes on my right to life by depriving me from oxygen. Second hand smoke is even worse than the stuff smokers inhale, and I just get pissed at them. Any anti-smoking legislation will have my full support, up to a point. Banning smoking in public restaurants and bars seems fair to me. If you want to smoke, take it outside, and not near the entrance either.
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How many restaurants do you frequent that don't seperate into smoking and non-smoking sections? As for bars...good luck on enforcing that one. Most folks who go out to bars and nightclubs smoke...and not just cigarettes, either. Besides...if I'm smoking, and it bothers you, just tell me. As long as you're not being totally obnoxious, I'll put out my cig.
"Excuse me, but could you please put out your cigarette. The smoke is bothering me." is all that you need to say. To sum this up...
This is a law that is not needed and not enforcable in all areas. Common courtesy should be enough...on both sides of the issue.
 
Here in the GTA and surrounding area it is illegal to have smoking in any building where people under 19 can enter. So, basically, it was up to the owners when the Bilaw was passed whether they woudl restrict entrance to those over 19 or cut out smoking. All restaurnats are now smoke free and also a few all ages clubs.
 
Non-smoking restaurants, while absurd, are understandable. Non-smoking bars are ridiculous. It's okay to put one toxin in your body but it's bad to put another? Luis G was right on the mark here.

I am still trying to find it, it's been hidden quite well, but the W.H.O. (world health organization) did a study in several countries, both developed & undeveloped & after much struggling trying to spin the facts, they couldn't. there is no link between second-hand smoke & any disease. none. it did not correlate to any medical condition. in short, second-hand smoke is nothing more than a nusciance. the study (several years old now) has been removed from all their publications because it isn't politically correct.
 
Gonz said:
Non-smoking restaurants, while absurd, are understandable. Non-smoking bars are ridiculous. It's okay to put one toxin in your body but it's bad to put another? Luis G was right on the mark here.

I am still trying to find it, it's been hidden quite well, but the W.H.O. (world health organization) did a study in several countries, both developed & undeveloped & after much struggling trying to spin the facts, they couldn't. there is no link between second-hand smoke & any disease. none. it did not correlate to any medical condition. in short, second-hand smoke is nothing more than a nusciance. the study (several years old now) has been removed from all their publications because it isn't politically correct.
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YOU are full of shit. Do you mean to tell me that the carbon monoxide, benzene, cadmium, formaldehyde, hydrogen cyanide (used in gas chambers to execute people), ethyl 2-furoate (used in chemical warfare), ammonia, lead, and other forty syllable chemicals are just INCONVENIENT?!

FACT: When you breath carbon monoxide, it WILL replace oxygen in your blood. Second hand smoke contains large quantities of carbon monoxide, and as a result you have a greater chance of suffering from oxygen deprevation.

FACT: Breathing hydrogen cyanide is not healthy. It WILL cause SOME negative effect in your body.

FACT: ethyl 2-furoate is used in chemical warfare. Of course it is just an inconvenience.

FACT: lead poisoning is very real.

When I get NEAR a smoker I get irritated because they smell worse than shit. I'd rather go to a manure farm. Kissing a smoker is like licking a toilet seat. When they light up, it isn't just an inconvenience, HE IS FUCKING POISONING YOUR AIR.

YOUR FREEDOM STOPS WHERE MINE BEGINS.

But of course, smoking is not harmful, and second-smoke is just a mild inconvenience. No need to get worried, your children will get all he daily vitamins and minerals from the second hand smoke. It isn't bad for them afterall.

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Assuming you live in industrialized nation, have you actually been outside? The pollutants contained in vehicular & industial exhaust is far more potent than a roomful of smokers in a ventilated bar. How about paint? Gasoline? There are many more dangerous things than cigarette smoke. Is it going to assist in a longer, healthier life? Unlikely. The odds of you dying from a cigarette related injury/medical condition are far less than dying in an auto accident, as a non-smoker.
 
Gonz said:
Assuming you live in industrialized nation, have you actually been outside? The pollutants contained in vehicular & industial exhaust is far more potent than a roomful of smokers in a ventilated bar. How about paint? Gasoline? There are many more dangerous things than cigarette smoke. Is it going to assist in a longer, healthier life? Unlikely. The odds of you dying from a cigarette related injury/medical condition are far less than dying in an auto accident, as a non-smoker.
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The fact that you try to defend smokers' habits from blowing their obnoxious fumes into my face by saying it is harmless disturbs me.

Yes, there is pollution outside. Yes it is dangerous. However there is a difference. The pollution outside is NOT there because someone is enjoying polluting the air. When I sit in a waiting area and someone lights up, he is ENJOYING himself. That is the ONLY fucking reason someone smokes. For his PERSONAL enjoyment.

I hate smokers. I have a vendetta against them. No matter where you go in the world, what country or culture, they pop up like little weeds gassing you with their cancer sticks, and then claiming it is just "inconvenient" and totally "harmless". At least Ontario did some de-weedification and made smoking illegal in most places but a few. On a philosophical level I would agree with Ardsgaine in that government control should not include smoking, but I cannot deny how advantageous it is to have government protection from the little assholes that think they own the world by lighting up where they go and when they want. :mad2:
 
Gonz said:
Non-smoking restaurants, while absurd, are understandable. Non-smoking bars are ridiculous. It's okay to put one toxin in your body but it's bad to put another? Luis G was right on the mark here.

I am still trying to find it, it's been hidden quite well, but the W.H.O. (world health organization) did a study in several countries, both developed & undeveloped & after much struggling trying to spin the facts, they couldn't. there is no link between second-hand smoke & any disease. none. it did not correlate to any medical condition. in short, second-hand smoke is nothing more than a nusciance. the study (several years old now) has been removed from all their publications because it isn't politically correct.
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I'm here with LL on this one. If someone's drinking, it's not affecting someone else (ok, yeah there are cases when it might do). Either way, if you're having a drink, that's not gonna cause anyone else a problem. However if you're smoking, you're affecting the people around you directly - I'm not saying that everyone's health is gonna go to pot, but 2nd hand smoke makes your clothes stink, your eyes sting, and is just annoying in general.

Banning smoking in bars isn't a problem as far as I'm concerned, as long as there is somewhere where people can smoke, say outdoors, then it's not a real problem.
 
Another thing, I used to have a tendency to smoke during evenings - this was mainly from being around other smokers. If I'm in a non-smoking bar, I'll be less tempted to wander off outside and go and have a cig. When people are lighting up around me, and it's comfortable, then it's more difficult to say no.
 
I smoke myself, but I just simply ask if it bothers somebody if I smoke. If it does, I go outside to smoke, and if it doesn't, then I light the cigarette.

I have also quit a long time before, and just then did I notice how annoying it was if people breathed they're smoke in my face. Although I had smoked before myself, I still asked them to go somewhere else.


Smoke free bars is going to be hard, for the sole reason that a lot of smokers won't come around anymore, or stay for a shorter while. But it would definately be an improvement for the non-smoker.
 
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