Today's New International Version

MrBishop said:
There are numerous versions of the Bible out there, several of them are further from the original text than the KJV...
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Umm... the original text? Which one?
 
chcr said:
Umm... the original text? Which one?
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The Greek version...there are some parts which were written in Sanscrit, but most were written in Greek. Many people don't know that Jesus and his disciples most likely spoke Greek as well as Hebrew
 
MrBishop said:
The Greek version...there are some parts which were written in Sanscrit, but most were written in Greek. Many people don't know that Jesus and his disciples most likely spoke Greek as well as Hebrew
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So when you're speaking of the "bible," you're only referring to the New Testament?
 
Professur said:
Says the guy looking for a gift for a gay wedding. You'll pardon me if your opinions on the christian religion don't inspire me, Bish.
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Two things
1) Shit or get off the pot. If you're going to constantly comment on, refer to, or allude to something which is being discussed on another forum entirely, either join and do so there or...

2) My knowledge regarding the Christian religion, its impact in the present and its potential impact on the future is far stronger that you might imagine. I'm not just a guy who attends church sporadically, sits through the sermon and goes home....I'm the guy who puts together the bulletin, organizes services, helps write the Collect, helps chose hymns for relevance, imagery etc etc. I read the Bible more often than most parishioners, discuss it more often and think about it more often.

Judge not lest ye be judged.
 
chcr said:
So when you're speaking of the "bible," you're only referring to the New Testament?
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Nope...but the written documents (scrolls) kept by the Synagogues and refered to in the New Testament were written in Hebrew/Sanscrit or Greek as well. Prior to that...it was spoken word.

I can discuss specifics with my Lay-minister professor contact and get you more details if you're really interested. He's got a Doctorate and has been Canonized for the breadth of his studies...I can't say the same.
 
MrBishop said:
Nope...but the written documents (scrolls) kept by the Synagogues and refered to in the New Testament were written in Hebrew/Sanscrit or Greek as well. Prior to that...it was spoken word.

I can discuss specifics with my Lay-minister professor contact and get you more details if you're really interested. He's got a Doctorate and has been Canonized for the breadth of his studies...I can't say the same.
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And you're aware of course that there are many words/phrases/sentiments in Hebrew and Sanskrit both which have no English translation whatsoever, so the translators aka rewriters of Bible chapters had to guess at and select phrases which would "fit"?
 
Leslie said:
And you're aware of course that there are many words/phrases/sentiments in Hebrew and Sanskrit both which have no English translation whatsoever, so the translators aka rewriters of Bible chapters had to guess at and select phrases which would "fit"?
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Thanks for making the point I was leading him up to. :D

A lot of any version of the bible is guesswork. A lot more is fabrication by translators who had (or have) an agenda. What it really boils down to is which version you "believe" to be the "truth." It's exactly the same as a belief in god. I've noticed that a lot of people who profess such a belief believe in wildly differing versions of god just as they do in wildly diffeing versions of the bible. Just a personal observation.
 
Leslie said:
And you're aware of course that there are many words/phrases/sentiments in Hebrew and Sanskrit both which have no English translation whatsoever, so the translators aka rewriters of Bible chapters had to guess at and select phrases which would "fit"?
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Exact translations word by word are rare from one language to another...even in Latin-based languages like French, English, Italian, Spanish etc... but, please keep in mind that the translations from one language to another in regards to the Bible were not done by an individual, but in some cases...dozens of translators working with clergy over a large period of time in order to ensure that the translation was as accurate to the spirit, if not the exact text, of the Bible. It's not like Joe Blow put the whole thing into Bablefish, rewrote the bits he didn't like and suddenly, it's the accepted version. Even after the translators had done their job, the version had to be approved all the way up the totem-pole to the highest post and voted on before it was accepted.

Take the change in the Anglican faith to using the NSRV (New Standard Revised Version) from the NRV.... it was voted on by thousands of people...hundreds of thousands before it was accepted...and even then (and now), it's not used by every Anglican Church in the world :shrug:

The King James Version was translated from scrolls which predate the Dead Sea Scrolls. Exactly how much of a difference could be made in the spirit of the text by writing "hated" instead of "despised" when/if the original had no exact translation into English? :shrug:
 
chcr said:
Thanks for making the point I was leading him up to. :D

A lot of any version of the bible is guesswork. A lot more is fabrication by translators who had (or have) an agenda. What it really boils down to is which version you "believe" to be the "truth." It's exactly the same as a belief in god. I've noticed that a lot of people who profess such a belief believe in wildly differing versions of god just as they do in wildly diffeing versions of the bible. Just a personal observation.
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Granted...but I believe that you're stretching the powers of 'those with an agenda' somewhat.
 
MrBishop said:
Granted...but I believe that you're stretching the powers of 'those with an agenda' somewhat.
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The difference is that you believe there is a god in control of things while I do not. ;)

From my point of view, the whole business was started by 'those with an agenda.' In fact, if you look at the history of the bible, it's even fairly easy (once again, IMO) to pick out where and when agendas were changed.
 
Could you say that the bible was written in much the same way as windows? Thousands of people over a large period of time, so like windows the bible could have thousands of errors due to lax programming and bad interpretation? If you have ever seen a 1000 year old Bible like the one they have in Durham Cathedral, I'd be amazed if they got it all right.

Just an observation.
 
Lopan said:
Could you say that the bible was written in much the same way as windows? Thousands of people over a large period of time, so like windows the bible could have thousands of errors due to lax programming and bad interpretation? If you have ever seen a 1000 year old Bible like the one they have in Durham Cathedral, I'd be amazed if they got it all right.

Just an observation.
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No, I could not say that. You however may say that if you like. God has a little better quality control department than Bill Gates has.
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
No, I could not say that. You however may say that if you like. God has a little better quality control department than Bill Gates has.
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So does pretty much anyone else. ;)
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
No, I could not say that. You however may say that if you like. God has a little better quality control department than Bill Gates has.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SouthernN'Proud again.
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:rofl: Let's hope so...can you imagine trying to reset the Universe?

Mind you...Noah's flood could always be seen as 'The Deep-Blue Screen of Death' :D
 
Professur said:
Now that's funny, Bish.
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Thought that you might like that one. :D

Could be worst...God could be a Mac user and we'd have a booming voice coming out of everywhere saying

"Its not my fault...mankind v2 application has failed. Closing mankind v2 now."
 
Professur said:
At least you remember something I like.

How's yer Mum and Dad? We never hear about them.
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I'll PM ya...no need for the whole internet t'know about my folx, eh.

Y'r Mum at the Lenten lunch today? I popped in and didn't see her.
 
I'm a die-hard Southern-Baptist.
I believe that the old King James ver. was the last Real (inspired by God)
version, and it's still the one I use.
A lot of it is a "Living" reading, and any way you try to change it, takes that away.
 
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