Universal ID Cards

MrBishop

MrBishop

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In Canada, we've bandied about the idea of a single Universal ID card. This card (Photo ID), would replace the Drivers license, medicare card, and passport. This card would also allow your medical documents to be viewed (securely) by doctors and pharmacists so taht there would be a reduction in medical prescription errors (becuase of people seeing more than one Dr. and neither knowing what the others gave out).

Some fear that a singleID card would open up a whole can of security and privacy issues, while others feel that it would help cut red-tape and gvt spending. How do you feel about it?
 
MrBishop said:
In Canada, we've bandied about the idea of a single Universal ID card. This card (Photo ID), would replace the Drivers license, medicare card, and passport. This card would also allow your medical documents to be viewed (securely) by doctors and pharmacists so taht there would be a reduction in medical prescription errors (becuase of people seeing more than one Dr. and neither knowing what the others gave out).

Some fear that a singleID card would open up a whole can of security and privacy issues, while others feel that it would help cut red-tape and gvt spending. How do you feel about it?
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It's hard to say. On one hand, it would be easier for everyone just to carry around one card and have everything on it, but on the other hand, how many people will get to see your whole life. I guess there are some advantages and dissadvantages to everything. There is a privacy issue there. What you have had done etc with a doctor is none of someone else's business. If they really want to have the whole 1 ID card going, there should be some way to control who sees what by providing passwords. For example, doctors would have 1 universal password, Goverment officials another, and so on.
 
Privacy?

What would you have to hide from the feds unless you were doing somthing illegal.

I dont give a crap what they know...Ill type it out and hand it to them myself.

On the other hand it would cut red tape. You can add criminal history and credit history to the card while your at it.

Hell...put in a security chip that allows the govt to track your movement with global positioning satellite for all I care.

If the cops are after someone they just turn on their sattelites...and while they are at it....detain everyone who left theirs at home long enough to verify with fingerprints that they are not the guy they are looking for.

What in the heck would you have that is soooooo private?

They would die of boredom looking at my histories, habits, credit, and travel....
 
Uki Chick said:
It's hard to say. On one hand, it would be easier for everyone just to carry around one card and have everything on it, but on the other hand, how many people will get to see your whole life. I guess there are some advantages and dissadvantages to everything. There is a privacy issue there. What you have had done etc with a doctor is none of someone else's business. If they really want to have the whole 1 ID card going, there should be some way to control who sees what by providing passwords. For example, doctors would have 1 universal password, Goverment officials another, and so on.
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until those passwords are either leaked or hacked, maybe with the card the doctors can access a medical data base and get your file, but i think they whould all remain seperate.
 
Ok,

I guess some people might not want their mental history on the card (rough times happen to everybody)

Rather than try to keep so many secrets from judgemental biggots....wouldnt it be nice if we could just changed peoples attitudes?
 
Hmmm

Hey if they could do what I suggested you could catch the guy real easy, throw the book at them and make it a mandatory 5 years in prision Felony with no prohbation and no appeals.

Identity theft is way more destructive than even straight out robbery to an individual.

As far as the card the way Bish described it, Im not sure.

And end user password requirement with a mandatory password change every two months would help.

A couple things you would not want to pass word protect would be certain medical conditions such as heart problems and diabetes (I dont think anyone would object to having such be acessible and your general drivers liscence etc etc) Everything else (including Social Sec #) you would want under a pw.
 
Kawaii said:
One ID to rule them all, One ID to find them,
One ID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
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Naa... You dont need a single ID for that all you have to do is ban guns. (I wont go there again). :bolt:
 
AnomalousEntity said:
Hmmm

Hey if they could do what I suggested you could catch the guy real easy, throw the book at them and make it a mandatory 5 years in prision Felony with no prohbation and no appeals.

Identity theft is way more destructive than even straight out robbery to an individual.

As far as the card the way Bish described it, Im not sure.

And end user password requirement with a mandatory password change every two months would help.

A couple things you would not want to pass word protect would be certain medical conditions such as heart problems and diabetes (I dont think anyone would object to having such be acessible and your general drivers liscence etc etc) Everything else (including Social Sec #) you would want under a pw.
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I wouldn't mind a card that covers our health care, with a medical alert feature, the general drivers license, but keep the SIN, and the passport seperate.
 
paul_valaru said:
let me get ready


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Not

I prefer to stay on the current topic this time around.

I know all the paranoia about total gov domination surrounding this.

But I think as long as we maintain the constitution (wish we are doing a piss poor job of at the moment) then our basic rights cant be changed by somthing like making people present the proper and accurate ID.

We need to be more concerned about the current trends against the 1st, 2nd, 4th, amendments, not to mention that I am very concerned and about the political election system these days....
 
AnomalousEntity said:
Not

I prefer to stay on the current topic this time around.

I know all the paranoia about total gov domination surrounding this.

But I think as long as we maintain the constitution (wish we are doing a piss poor job of at the moment) then our basic rights cant be changed by somthing like making people present the proper and accurate ID.

We need to be more concerned about the current trends against the 1st, 2nd, 4th, amendments, not to mention that I am very concerned and about the political election system these days....
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It's not paranoia against the gov't (on my part) it's about people getting there hands on this information, people that shouldn't have this information.
 
paul_valaru said:
It's not paranoia against the gov't (on my part) it's about people getting there hands on this information, people that shouldn't have this information.
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Certainly a valid concern.

Anyone think a security system and a process of auditing disputes could ever be good enough to address others with Pauls concerns?
 
I will move to Portugal if any such ID card would be issued here. There's no reason for it. We've got enough SSN fraud going on, why add to it?
 
The problem with security concerns and encryption is that no matter how secure you think a system is, it's always as weak as it's weakest link. In this case, the individual. The dis-encryption software would have to be given to all medical practitioners, as well as cops, pharmacists etc...anyone who would need access to it. It wouldn't take a hacker to get these records...all it would take is one Doc with a gambling problem or one cop cheating on his wife and the blackmail would begin.

I've had this discussion with friends at a café. Imagine that someone with serious fears about AIDS and serious mental problems decided to kill all AIDS/HIV patients around. A simple robbery of a laptop with the dis-encryption code on it would give this person access to all the names and addresses of those suffering from AIDS/HIV.

Which information would you like on a card which would open you up to the world? I've got agood driving record, but I wouldn't want a DWI arrest to fall into the hands of the MADD fringe groups, or my AAA/NAA membership leaked out, or that case of the Clap etc... (not that I've had any of these, but you get the idea)
 
It's the idea of al the information being in one place that bothers me, they crack that card, and they know more about ou, than you do
 
Bish.

In my case there is absolutely nothing that they could find (not even a speeding ticket or a parking fine...in my entire life-well I got a parking ticket from the little security guards once at work and once at college.)

Never drank enought to get drunk excpet 2x in my life never did drugs and dont drink at all now.

Sure I have a mild case of asthma and some hemorrhoids but who gives a shit.

I made the mistake of not considering certain things like you mentioned....Good point and I can see where you are coming from.

Paul.

Yeap thats true.

Perhaps they should just make one with pertinent medical info, general info like drivers liscence and emergency contacts (phone numbers only).

One point. I was not thinking nor was I advocating giving ANYONE ANY KIND OF NUMBER OR ACCESS PERIOD.

Strictly Card Owner decision as to weather to type in the little password on one of those private "debit card thingys"..and you could even have passwords for various cagegories (one for medical, one for credit, etc).

And no info would be downloadable. Some kind of "read only format" that allows them to view only but it doesnt retain.

You wouldnt use a regular computer for this...only some kind of special "viewer" that is not even hooked into any general network. A stand alone device plugged into the wall.

For that you would not see social cecurity numbers (unless you wanted them to have it) or anything else you wouldnt want them to see.

No hacker could get it, no hard drive would retain it, etc etc.

On the card, certain basic emergency info would be non-password viewable.

Anyone have a problem with this!!!
 
Regarding the swipe cards....I would not believe that there would ever be such a system without someone creating a data base from it. That data base would be so powerful as to render the consumer defenseless. 'They' would have complete control over everything at that point.
 
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