Virtually all Iraq's utilities below pre invasion levels

I'm reasonably sure Gato wouldn't be out praising Gonzos bombings of flavios neightborhood while simultaneously denoucing bombing his own.
 
Indeed I do I 'feel' they now have at least half a fighting chance
to show the rest of those dumbasses in dirty night shirts,
that 7th century nomads can stand up
be self-governing and join the folks a livin' in the 21st century.

OK ok even I'm not that deluded but still...

Once we defeat\convert Iran all will be good in the middle-east hood.

Then wheel be forced to turn our attention to the dark
continent, oh the white mans' burden is heavy indeed!
 
actually flav the analagy should have been "if gonz and gato were living in the same house and everytime i sent them the filter gonz blew it up. Then if gato didnt do anything himself to stop it" Then i would still feel the same way. wouldnt feel sorry for either of them.
The reason why: gato has the ability to stop gonz but wont.
Its the same in iraq, they on their own can stop their fellow countrymen, but dont. wether we are there or not doesnt factor in for self preservation.
 
samcurry said:
actually flav the analagy should have been "if gonz and gato were living in the same house and everytime i sent them the filter gonz blew it up. Then if gato didnt do anything himself to stop it" Then i would still feel the same way. wouldnt feel sorry for either of them.
The reason why: gato has the ability to stop gonz but wont.
Its the same in iraq, they on their own can stop their fellow countrymen, but dont. wether we are there or not doesnt factor in for self preservation.
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I don't see why they need to live in the same house for the analogy. I doubt that someone that need water and someone that's keeping the water from going live in the same house. They may be a couple hundreds of miles away and not know each other.
 
One side has to scurry about like rats
the other has direct fire support and air cover!

Heck they even have back-up in the form of
slipknot fans with M-16’s and M-249 Squad Automatic Weapons
 
ok they dont have to live together but I would expect gato to defend himself and the property he needs to survive.
 
Re: Virtually all Iraq's utilities below preinvasion levels

flavio said:
So that's been the plan from the beginning? To train Iraq defense for 3-4 years....:rofl4:
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Once again, you just don't get it...
 
flavio said:
I don't see why they need to live in the same house for the analogy. I doubt that someone that need water and someone that's keeping the water from going live in the same house. They may be a couple hundreds of miles away and not know each other.
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Insurgent attacks and the ever-present danger of kidnapping mean that up to 22 percent of all reconstruction project funds, including those for electricity, goes to security, according to Government Accountability Office figures.
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Pretty much sums it up...
 
Civil Affairs keeps the water flowing



DOHUK PROVINCE, Iraq – The 422nd Civil Affairs Battalion and the residents of Nerimerki and Tilisquif, villages in the northern Iraqi province of Dohuk, celebrated the completion of three water projects.

With help from Ziyad Abdullah, head of the Department of Water in the Dohuk Province, the 422nd was able to identify the needs of these villages.

In Nerimerki, villagers braved cold weather and strong winds to attend the ribbon-cutting ceremony.

“They are very, very happy because for the first time in their lives they can get running water near their houses,” said Shaka Thada, leader of the local non-governmental organization responsible for providing construction of the project.

Before completion of the project, villagers manually transported their water from about three kilometers away using donkeys. Now, an electric generator pump pulls local river water through a filtration system, into a galvanized steel holding tank in the center of the village.

In Tilisquif, about 75 people came out for their ribbon-cutting ceremony despite the rain and cold. Mayor Basim Yjago and Maj. Calvin Robinson, commander, Company B, 422nd CA Bn., delivered speeches.

“We take great pleasure in providing this water source for you,” said Robinson. “This is another step for you to rebuild your country. My team is proud and appreciative to be a part of this ceremony.”

Continuing the mission of assisting the people of northern Iraq, the 422nd stopped in the village of Behere, north of Tilisquif, where construction of a retention wall to trap run-off water from rain and snow was completed.

“The whole village will benefit,” stated Abdullah. “There’s been a drought for the past couple of years, so it’s good that we will have a steady supply of water. This water is good not just for farming, but also for tourism and recreation. We appreciate the help from civil affairs.”

The Soldiers of the 422nd have been working with local leaders and the

Department of Water to determine the needs of each community. After making the determination, the U.S. Army draws up a scope of work, puts the project up for a bid and then provides the funds to a local contractor to build the project.

As townspeople, Civil Affairs Soldiers and elected officials continue to work together Iraqi communities can enjoy a better lifestyle
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Iraqi man helps 3-16 FA Soldiers locate weapons cache



BAGHDAD, Iraq – With the help of a local national’s tip, MND-B Soldiers located an ammunition cache Feb. 9 north of An Najaf in the An Najaf Province.

While conducting a combat patrol, elements of the 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division were stopped by a man holding a sign that read “Stop” in English and had a likeness of a bomb drawn on the sign.

The man directed the patrol to the cache, which was wrapped in plastic and buried in a field near a house.

The cache consisted of 71 100mm HE rounds, four weapons, eight 122mm rounds and five 115mm HEAT rounds.

“Cooperation like this is what will help the Iraqis defeat the insurgency,” said Capt. Pablo Diaz, commander, Battery B, 3-16 FA.

An Explosive Ordnance Disposal team was dispatched to the site of the cache and cleared the cache.

This incident is under investigation.
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MND-B Soldiers find significant weapons cache





BAGHDAD, Iraq – Multi-National Division – Baghdad Soldiers discovered a weapons cache Feb. 3, adding to a series of caches discovered in the past week.

While conducting a combat patrol, the Soldiers with 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, received a tip from an Iraqi citizen about the location of a possible weapons cache site.

Responding to the tip, the unit searched the area and uncovered multiple weapons, munitions and explosives. An Explosive Ordnance Disposal team arrived at the site to assess the situation and conduct a controlled detonation to destroy the cache.

The controlled detonation exposed a false floor beneath the original site, which yielded more weapons and munitions upon further investigation.

EOD conducted a second controlled detonation of the explosives.

After both detonations and a complete search of the area, the unit uncovered 21 120mm mortar rounds, two 160mm mortar rounds, six 155mm mortar rounds, one shape charge, six 122 mortar rounds, 20 rocket propelled grenades, one mortar base plate, 80 81mm mortar rounds, 50 2.5 rockets, 60 61mm mortar rounds and other bomb-making materials.
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samcurry said:
ok they dont have to live together but I would expect gato to defend himself and the property he needs to survive.
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So Gato would have to go find Gonz and stop him from roadside bombing right?
 
flavio said:
So Gato would have to go find Gonz and stop him from roadside bombing right?
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Or either just tell some authority, if he was fearful. (when he saw him plant it)

EDIT: I think there's a large percentage of cases here, that are solved but "tips".
 
Winky said:
By killing him.
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It would be illegal for Gato to hunt down Gonz and kill him no matter what crime he committed. Instead of being without water Gonz would be facing years in prison.

...and yet you call me krazy.

catacom said:
Or either just tell some authority, if he was fearful. (when he saw him plant it)

EDIT: I think there's a large percentage of cases here, that are solved but "tips".
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Sure and as Gato pointed out they do that...."Iraqi man helps 3-16 FA Soldiers locate weapons cache". I think it's unlikely that most of the country or even his city would have any idea that Gonz was the one with the bombs.

Even if Gonz lived right next door Gato still probably wouldn't be able to tell he was the one doing it. Maybe if Gonz came over one day and asked to borrow a cup of gunpowder.
 
flavio said:
Sure and as Gato pointed out they do that...."Iraqi man helps 3-16 FA Soldiers locate weapons cache". I think it's unlikely that most of the country or even his city would have any idea that Gonz was the one with the bombs.
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I didn't mean to imply that no-one did it, just not as many as should.
The one person probably wouldn't have that much info, but of a neighborhood of
people, someone is bound to see more.
 
flavio said:
How many tips are they getting? How many should they get?
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Not enough.
Enough to catch more of the people planting the bombs, which way the went,
how they were traveling, what they were wearing...
 
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