Warez

Chicken and the egg, Jeslek...

If the price of software was never raised to compensate for all the advertising, hype, lost time due to interviews and PR, etc, and/or to subsidize pirated copies, there wouldn't be such an increase in piracy rates. In some countries there is a piracy rate of 70% or more. I've got a good idea why. The prices on software are jacked up to compensate for import costs. This indicates there is a direct relation to price and piracy rate. Price goes up, piracy rate goes up. Price goes down, piracy rate goes down. People like low prices. People can afford low prices. People hate high prices. People retaliate by not paying high prices. And don't give me that $50,000 plasma TV bullshit analogy, a piece of software is not tangible so it doesn't even come close.

By its electronic nature, the software market can't really be affected by the laws of supply and demand. Obviously there is a near infinite supply of the software. (until, of course, we run out of trees to make boxes with. :tardbang: )

So then with the supply not being a factor, why is it when the demand for the software goes up, so does the price? It should be the other way around.
 
PuterTutor said:
On the other hand, you are right about one thing, if we didn't buy it, it wouldn't cost so much, but you know what? If we don't buy it, the corporations still would, and it would still cost just as much.
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Damn, does that make any sense to anyone? :confuse3:


* Note to self, don't type your thoughts, think them through first.
 
I think you were trying to say that if less people bought it, the publishers would be less compelled to keep the price higher, but this is cancelled out by corporations easily being able to shell out the big bucks for it, so they still get a return on their investment without having to lower prices.
 
it made sense to me ;)

btw, i'm not justifying piracy, i'm saying why i do it and under which circumstances i would stop doing it.
 
Yeah, I think. It's that Microsoft doesn't really need to sell a copy of Office to every person out there. If they sell just to the corporations and large companies, and they do it legit, they are still going to make a huge profit from the product. Now, one could say fine, sell it to them for 300, but make it available to the general poplulation for 100. Well, that won't work, the big corps may be rich, but they ain't stupid, and they'd never go for that.

Microsoft products are one of the most pirated products ever, yet they are still pulling a multi-billion dollar profit every year. In fact, I've heard it said that MS really isn't against pirating as much as they say they are, pirating is what put the Windows OS on damn near every computer in the world.
 
How about getting it down to something that we all can afford....CD's.

They are going up in price even though they are selling fewer these days. Are they selling fewer because of piracy or because they are releasing shit? I still buy music, not like I once did. I may or may not have pirated music but that is irrelevent. I think that CD's have gotten overpriced & there is almost nothing noteworthy enough to buy. They should cost about $10. for a new release. Everybody would make money & the consumer would be happier. Until we all stop paying the prices they ask, why should they go down?
 
So here's an idea, offer a standard edition that most residents would agree with the pricing on, and then offer more benefits (e.g. warranty, priority tech support) or more features to those who decide to go with a corporate edition. Easy as pie. MS is already doing that with home and professional but their home edition pricing is still too fucking high.
 
Gonz: The record companies have to offset the cost of the hype, advertising, interviews, then take out the licensing fees, and in the end, the artist(s) very rarely gets even half of what the damn thing costs. This doesn't happen if they go with, say, mp3.com where they can sell it for however much they damn well please and they get much more out of it than they would going through a standard run-of-the-mill record company.
 
PuterTutor said:
Yeah, I think. It's that Microsoft doesn't really need to sell a copy of Office to every person out there. If they sell just to the corporations and large companies, and they do it legit, they are still going to make a huge profit from the product. Now, one could say fine, sell it to them for 300, but make it available to the general poplulation for 100. Well, that won't work, the big corps may be rich, but they ain't stupid, and they'd never go for that.
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Exactly, at work, i had to setup the server, but i didn't have the software, so i go and talk with the guy that manages that, and he starts burning me a copy of the whole back office (win2k server, sql server, and another 2 cds i haven't bothered browsing), when i see what he was doing i asked him if he was affraid of an auditory (??) because of the pirate copies, he said: "nooo..............we can't burn the copys, we just buy a set of discs but we buy licenses by THOUSANDS", i was like "WHAT???, back office is certainly not cheap and they buy them by thousands"....
 
fury, when I was in the biz, the highest paid artists got $1.25 per album, most got far less.
 
Actually, the problem with the record deal was the record companies shipping undocumented copies for sale which the artists never saw a penny of.
 
And don't give me that $50,000 plasma TV bullshit analogy, a piece of software is not tangible so it doesn't even come close.
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So you don't recognize intellectual property rights?
 
so basically, borrowing a book is also theft, let's close school libraries, 'cause a book can only be read by the one who bought it.
 
It's different with a book. If you borrow a book from the library, when you give it back you don't have it anymore. When you borrow a software CD, when you give it back chances are you still have the software on your system. Yes, copies can be made from books, but copyright law has a lot of specifics on that one. I ran into one of them when I had to do some research for a term paper in the special collections library at Fresno State. The volumes in that room can't leave that room, so in order to leave with the info I had to get copies made at a price of 10¢ per page. In addition to that, for each volume the copyright page also had to be copied... and I had to pay 10¢ per page for that, too.
 
Luis G said:
so basically, borrowing a book is also theft, let's close school libraries, 'cause a book can only be read by the one who bought it.
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You really don't know what intellectual propertly law states, do you?
 
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