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there is no argument that it is theft of intellectual property but the reality is that when copying software and music is as easy as it is it can be no surprise that it happens so widely. if plasma screens were repoducable in the home in under 5 mins with minimum outlay we'd all have one of those too
 
Actually, the Plazma TV and software and music comparison is utterly wrong. Economic theory would suggest that in the case of goods like music and software where it can be reproduced and distributed basically for free, it should be priced accordingly, for free. Ok, ok, there are the artist and the programmers etc etc. So there should be some cost, but utility is maximized by giving these things away for free still. I know, there are other arguments to encourage innovation, we should want the producers of such material to make a profit. However, the better approach would be to have copyright expire rather quickly, in say 10 years, then allow free distribution. For software, this would have no impact of course. Anyone using 10 year old software is really out of the loop. As for music though, lets be realistic, the current system is quite corrupt. Look at all the one hit wonders out there!!! Throw one 'hit' on an album, with a bunch of trash, and sell it for $20? Who is stealing from who here? They were so used to screwing the consumer, that they assume its their right to continue. It isn't. They should sell them one track at a time, for a fair price. However, they know that means that rather than FORCING the consumer to by 10 songs they don't like in order to get the one they want, the consumer will just pay $1 to get the song they want, leaving the music industry with much lower profit margins. They want to continue to sell worthless inventory, all those 'B-side' songs nobody cares to hear. They don't like it becaue the market has evolved and now its possible to efficently sell to the customer ONLY what he or she wants, rather than forcing garbage on them they don't want. That is what they have done since the beginning, and they would like to continue to do so. WE won't let them, and they don't like it. Even if we all paid for JUST the songs we want, they would still be in the red, and stay in the red. Without selling us shit we don't want, they can't make the money they used to, and they don't like that. This is what it is really about, not just about piracy. They want to continue to steal from the consumer as they have for so long.

As for software in non first world countries. Well, you can forget about paying for it there. I see their point. If I lived there, I would pirate everything too. I build a couple computers while I was living in Central Europe. Windows Me, 98, or 2000 at the time were all over $500. I don't think so!!!! All I need was an OS, and this is the best I could do for a price. I'm sure you can guess what decision I made in choosing where to obtain the copy of windows I needed for those systems ;)

Hell, even universities and businesses pirate software there, and why wouldn't they. GDP per capita was around $5000 a year, and MS wants $500 for a copy of windows. Give me a break!!!

In the states, I think its fine to pay, although I don't deny that its over price, not because of piracy, but rather because of monopoly. Just ask the justice department. Anyway, I too will be moving to Linux. I certainly won't continue paying the MS tax when there is an alternative.
 
Well people, if you take that risk and steal from the owner of the software, just be man enough to take the punishment if they figure you out.
 
Would you pay 20% of your net annual income for a copy of windows?

I certainly wouldn't, thus, I think its easy to understand why people do it, and why MS looks the other way. In the US, or in your case, Canada, its different. WE can afford to pay. Although you have to admit, we pay too much!
 
I have no idea. I've never been in that situation. But at the same time, high prices is not an excuse to commit crime. Where do you draw the line then? Only intellectual property which isn't "real?"
 
Something like what he said, Jerrek:
ris said:
there is no argument that it is theft of intellectual property but the reality is that when copying software and music is as easy as it is it can be no surprise that it happens so widely. if plasma screens were repoducable in the home in under 5 mins with minimum outlay we'd all have one of those too
 
tommyj27 said:
...Luis are forced to pay through the nose and play by the rules, aquire software by illegitimate means, or be stuck in a reciprocating cycle of technological ignorance.
Given this situation, where purchasing software legally would constitute a significant portion of your income; and these options, what would you do?
Even for me, living in the states, buying software at full price would constitute a significant and restrictive portion of my current income. My solution was to move to linux, but even that isn't necessarily a viable option in 3rd world nations where broadband availability isn't the norm. That makes aquiring linux difficult as well.
 
i wait about 8 hours for one cd to complete.......not as fast as i'd like, but i can bear with it.
 
8 hours for a CD? What are you talking about? I'm lost! It takes only 2 minutes to burn a disk? Oh, you mean to download it. Gotcha :D
 
dialup sucks, and i can't even go borrow wireless bandwidth from my old school anymore, they added this stupid web authentication thingie that i haven't figured out
 
Jeslek said:
I have no idea. I've never been in that situation. But at the same time, high prices is not an excuse to commit crime. Where do you draw the line then? Only intellectual property which isn't "real?"

So what if the price of food rises above what you can pay? Jail a guy for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family?

There are many excuses to commit a crime, Jer. Just none to commit this particular crime. Someone who steals luxuries like music or software doesn't steal because he needs it, he steals because he wants it. Espescially when there are free versions like Linux, OpenOffice, and such.
 
Oh, hmm, now that you put it that way, I think I agree with you. Although, if I'm in a situation where I can't feed my family, I would still feel very, very bad about myself for resorting to stealing. Being a common thief. :eh:
 
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