H2O boy
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i dont think utah has a sped limit on interstates, and they can do that because they dont accept federal money to maintain their roads, they do it themsleves.
Why drilling won't help with the oil crisis
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i dont think utah has a sped limit on interstates, and they can do that because they dont accept federal money to maintain their roads, they do it themsleves.
Utah does, and always did. You're thinking of Montana which didn't but has enacted a speed limit. Arizona & Nevada didn't have limits either before the Carter administration mandated 55 (bastards)
spike
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What the fuck are you even talking about?
Did we come to some agreement about the op-eds?
MrBishop
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You forgot one obvious faux-pas...explaining how drilling here will HURT the oil crisis...
It won't change the outcome...the crisis will continue, but the extra drilling will be one serious clusterfuck for the local environment.
It'd be adding to the problem without adding to the solution.
Professur
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Gato_Solo
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Thats an opinion thats been bandied about for almost 20 years. If you never try the alternative, then how do you know the opinion is sound? Here's another take...diamonds are not as rare as most folks would have you believe, so why hasn't the cost come down? Because the supply is restricted. Increasing the supply hurts only those who would keep it low. Same for oil. This 'crisis' is one that is entirely manufactured. The outcome you espouse will have to change simply because the supply has increased. That supply will give us the time we need to research other options...if used correctly. The only thing you seem to be worried about is, in a word, hooplah.
MrBishop
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Your alternative isn't an alternative, Gato...it's just more of the same. Well...drilling more didn't help...let's drill even more, maybe that'll help.
The increased supply will temporarily drop the price..which'll increase the demand (especially in places like China and India), which'll drive the price back up. Artificial or not, that's how the market works.
Hell, the BILLIONS of barrels of oil in the Oil Sands didn't change the supply/demand price point one iota...and that's accesseable now and not in 10 years.
The only way out of the loop is to stop buying as much oil. Take the billions you want spent in exploration/drilling of protected habitats/zones and use it for research into the alternatives. Building up the architecture/power grid, replacing a few oil-fired power plants with nuclear instead.
The increased supply will temporarily drop the price..which'll increase the demand (especially in places like China and India), which'll drive the price back up. Artificial or not, that's how the market works.
Hell, the BILLIONS of barrels of oil in the Oil Sands didn't change the supply/demand price point one iota...and that's accesseable now and not in 10 years.The only way out of the loop is to stop buying as much oil. Take the billions you want spent in exploration/drilling of protected habitats/zones and use it for research into the alternatives. Building up the architecture/power grid, replacing a few oil-fired power plants with nuclear instead.
Make ya a deal. You cut your oil useage by 50% & so will I. The automobile is the smallest of our worries.
Dead dinosaurs kick ass & have made our world more liveable, freer & safer.
Professur
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Professur
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For the record, Oil contains very little dinosaur. It's actually made (for the most part) from decomposing plant matter. By rights, it should be called Fern fuel.
MrBishop
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Including invading another Middle East country?
Gato_Solo
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Your point is that they started drilling more. Where? If it isn't domestic, it doesn't count.
Bish said:The increased supply will temporarily drop the price..which'll increase the demand (especially in places like China and India), which'll drive the price back up. Artificial or not, that's how the market works.
And it's been how many years since those 'untouchable' sites became untouchable? More than 10 years. To piggyback on those oil sands, it took how many years to get the permits to start digging?
Bish said:
Nice, but it takes longer to build a nuke plant than it does to drill a well. Next...the current oil pipeline and drilling operations in Alaska has damaged the environment in what way...and the Valdez doesn't count in this scenario? Also...those billions you want to spend on your research projects are owned by private companies that want to do the drilling. Not public funds. The more you open your mouth on this, the deeper you put your foot in.
The entire world economy is built on energy, and the most useful energy we have right now...and for the forseeable future...is petroleum. The demand will only go up as time progresses, and where will you be in those intervening years?...wishing we had drilled 10 years ago. Kinda like now, eh?
MrBishop
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Of course it counts if it's non-domestic...you don't set the price/barrel like Venezuela does...yet.
Permits weren't the issue. Price per barrel was the issue. It wasn't profitable enough to convert oil-sands into viable crude. Now it is. Teh resulting boom is most impressive.
All the more reason to get off the teat when you can.Nice, but it takes longer to build a nuke plant than it does to drill a well. Next...the current oil pipeline and drilling operations in Alaska has damaged the environment in what way...and the Valdez doesn't count in this scenario? Also...those billions you want to spend on your research projects are owned by private companies that want to do the drilling. Not public funds. The more you open your mouth on this, the deeper you put your foot in.
Gato_Solo
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No. It doesn't. Not when your whole campaign relies on using domestic vs foreign oil. Besides...Venezuela is a member of OPEC. They don't set their own prices or they'd be driven out of the market.
Bish said:
Point granted...but what if the price of oil drops below the profitability of your conversion...say by drilling off the US coast and in ANWR...oops.
Bish said:
Never said that getting off the teat wasn't the end result. Just that by refusing drilling you aren't helping the crisis one iota and, in fact, may be increasing it.
MrBishop
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Mis-spoke (typed) - price for fuel. .12c/gallon down there. D v.F oil is a political ploy.
It'd have to drop below $40/barrel from what I've read. A lot of the infrastructure is already in place so startup costs are paid for. It'd affect my employer something fierce.
Thing is, it isn't drilling. It's merely permission to look. In either case, it's a circular arguement. If you want off the teat, looking for more oil isn't going to do it. If you find more oil, supply goes up, price goes down and you get even more hooked on it.