WMD? Who needs WMD?
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A.B. - Your statement makes it sound like this is a unilateral action by the US. First, that's neglecting the tremedously important involvement by the UK, which removes the possibility of it being unilateral. Second, I think there are something like 96 countries that side with the US and UK here. Sure, many of them are tiny, and many are probably just trying to "ride the wave" for popularity, good relations, monetary, or other reasons. I don't for a minute believe that they all really think the war is justified, but still, they do cast their vote of support.
France, Germany, Russia, China. Those four contries make up the vast majority of the opposition to this war. Hardly one country doing something the world doesn't approve of as you make it seem.
No precedent is being set for one country invading another and "reaping the benefits." A precedent is set for treating the UN like a fucking joke. A precedent that should have been set a long time ago.
France, Germany, Russia, China. Those four contries make up the vast majority of the opposition to this war. Hardly one country doing something the world doesn't approve of as you make it seem.
No precedent is being set for one country invading another and "reaping the benefits." A precedent is set for treating the UN like a fucking joke. A precedent that should have been set a long time ago.
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Squiggy - I'm not going to go dig up my old posts for support, by I've always argued that the justification for war was much more complex than any simple "WMD" or "all about the oil" scapegoat reasons. They played a part, in their own respective ways, but I've felt war was justified even if inspectors had been allowed full access and still found nothing. I thought we never should have backed out so quickly in the Gulf War. That was my opinion then, and it's still my opinion now.
If they don't find WMD's, there's no "excuses" I'll have to make. No backpedaling I'll have to do. No crow I'll have to eat.
But, I will eat crow if this statement doesn't prove to be true: WMD's will be found in Iraq. Did anyone in the entire world really ever doubt that Sadam possessed such weapons? C'mon...
If they don't find WMD's, there's no "excuses" I'll have to make. No backpedaling I'll have to do. No crow I'll have to eat.
But, I will eat crow if this statement doesn't prove to be true: WMD's will be found in Iraq. Did anyone in the entire world really ever doubt that Sadam possessed such weapons? C'mon...
Ardsgaine said:
I don't know are you generally Rep or Dem?
How do you feel about religion?
How about the ten commandments?
Do you think guns should be taken away from the American Public?
How do you feel about abortion?
Do you think the world should unite under a global government?
Do you think drugs should be legal?
Do you think homosexual men should be allowed to teach children and go on camping trips with them.(I.E. Boy Scouts?)
Do you think it is okay for aborted fetuses to be used for experiments and treatment for diseases?
I don't know, I grew up in Eastern Montana/Western North Dakota chopping wood to heat our house, hunting food to keep us fed, and at times rode my bike 15 miles into to town just to goto a school dance and visit freinds? I lived in a beat up PWT(poor white trash) trailer house drinking fresh from the teet cow milk and canned vegtables I helped gather from our large garden I had to till every week to keep the weeds down. Largely we ate deer, antelope, ducks, geese etc that we hunted for food as also pigs and cows that we raised. Most of the time the propane gas heater for our house wouldn't work and we would have to use wood and coal to heat the trailer house. Only the rooms closest to the stove would stay warm even if the gas stove worked. We could burn coal in it also which was nice. In the mornings some times I could see my breath when I awoke. Sometimes I would take my blanket and sleep next to the wood stove so I could at least sleep. To this day I cannot sleep well when it is cold.
Growing up under these conditions you would think one would possibly have a tendency to be more conservative.
I didn't grow up in a city/suburb with a silver spoon in my mouth. We didn't goto the local food stamps office when we were hungry. We didn't apply for heating assistance in the winters. What ever we wanted we had to work for it. I grew up singing "Jesus loves the little children, no matter their skin color". There isn't alot of racism in my part of the country. Half of my freinds were Native american or of Mexican decent. I was taught it was wrong to kill animals except for food. I was taught to help people and be giving. Where I come from if your vehicle breaks down usually the first person you see will stop and help you fix your car and bring you to where ever you need to go. There is no pollution were I come from generally. Teenage pregnancies usually end in adoption or they keep it. Abortion is not an option.
This is where I am from.
The city to me is like a cancerous sore polluting and harming everything near it yet people want and need it and actually prefer it more so than rural area's.
I like it quiet.
Conservative is generally the attitude of my area of the country. We do elect democrats to office alot but they usually are more conservative than the average democrat. Our current senator doesn't support abortion and actually North Dakota made abortion a felony under state law. It is also illegal for unmarried couples to live together. There is just something about wide open spaces that I really like. When I am done with college I hope to return to the wide open country side and acquire my own piece of land and set up my "palace."
Aunty Em
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Are you generally Rep or Dem? Neither, I'm british.
How do you feel about religion? There's too much of it... too many excuses for conflict.
How about the ten commandments? Common sense rules intended to prevent conflict between neighbours - pretty similar rules in most religions I've found.
Do you think guns should be taken away from the American Public? Handguns - yes.
How do you feel about abortion? It serves a purpose but is too often abused.
Do you think the world should unite under a global government? Like the UN?
Do you think drugs should be legal? Most of them are...
Do you think homosexual men should be allowed to teach children and go on camping trips with them.(I.E. Boy Scouts?) Homosexual does not = paedophile.
Do you think it is okay for aborted fetuses to be used for experiments and treatment for diseases? The juries still out...
I'm an army brat... I grew up in London, Germany, Gibraltar, Kent, Surrey and Essex both in villages, small towns, larger towns and cities. I now live in a smallish market town within easy reach of London - not that I go there very often. The countryside is a 5 minute walk from my door. My mother made all our clothes - I'll never forget the embarassment of the knitted swimsuit that stretched when wet or the 1960s mini dresses! My dad hunted rabbits and pigeons with the local farmer's shotgun, sharing his catch with him as payment for use of the gun, and I made mud pies in the vegetable plot between watering it and helping my mum.
And I got called a nazi by the brits because I'm half german... and a tommy pig-dog by the germans because I'm half english... my conclusion - most kids are a pain in the bum. I also got made a fuss of most adults especially foriegners - conclusion - most foriegners are OK. As a child I also shared a double bed with my sister, often woke with ice on the insides of the windows (coal fires downstairs) and was unable to use the bathroom during the winter cos the drains were iced up (tin bath in front of the fire) - we also had an outside loo! I can't remember a time when I wasn't expected to help with the chores including looking after my youngest brother after school while my mum worked, cooking the family dinner (I always burnt the sausages) and cleaning the house.
Just a normal 1960s - 70s childhood really. Did I enjoy it? Yes... we roamed for miles without restriction and were generally a lot freer than kids today... I've fallen out of trees, off roofs, cliffs and bicycles, and into rivers (when I couldn't swim) and I'm still in one piece.
I've lived in some rum old places since then and with some very interesting people, but now live in a 2 bed apartment with double-glazing and gas central heating. I have enough of money to pay my bills and my favorite chair is 20 years old and extremely comfortable, so until it falls to pieces I really don't see any point in getting another one. I wear comfortable clothes (not designer) and eat tv dinners cos I can't be bothered to cook for just me during the week. My favorite pastimes, besides messing about with computers and robots, is visiting interesting places and going for walks in the country... and I hate gardening!
How do you feel about religion? There's too much of it... too many excuses for conflict.
How about the ten commandments? Common sense rules intended to prevent conflict between neighbours - pretty similar rules in most religions I've found.
Do you think guns should be taken away from the American Public? Handguns - yes.
How do you feel about abortion? It serves a purpose but is too often abused.
Do you think the world should unite under a global government? Like the UN?
Do you think drugs should be legal? Most of them are...
Do you think homosexual men should be allowed to teach children and go on camping trips with them.(I.E. Boy Scouts?) Homosexual does not = paedophile.
Do you think it is okay for aborted fetuses to be used for experiments and treatment for diseases? The juries still out...
I'm an army brat... I grew up in London, Germany, Gibraltar, Kent, Surrey and Essex both in villages, small towns, larger towns and cities. I now live in a smallish market town within easy reach of London - not that I go there very often. The countryside is a 5 minute walk from my door. My mother made all our clothes - I'll never forget the embarassment of the knitted swimsuit that stretched when wet or the 1960s mini dresses! My dad hunted rabbits and pigeons with the local farmer's shotgun, sharing his catch with him as payment for use of the gun, and I made mud pies in the vegetable plot between watering it and helping my mum.
And I got called a nazi by the brits because I'm half german... and a tommy pig-dog by the germans because I'm half english... my conclusion - most kids are a pain in the bum. I also got made a fuss of most adults especially foriegners - conclusion - most foriegners are OK. As a child I also shared a double bed with my sister, often woke with ice on the insides of the windows (coal fires downstairs) and was unable to use the bathroom during the winter cos the drains were iced up (tin bath in front of the fire) - we also had an outside loo! I can't remember a time when I wasn't expected to help with the chores including looking after my youngest brother after school while my mum worked, cooking the family dinner (I always burnt the sausages) and cleaning the house.
Just a normal 1960s - 70s childhood really. Did I enjoy it? Yes... we roamed for miles without restriction and were generally a lot freer than kids today... I've fallen out of trees, off roofs, cliffs and bicycles, and into rivers (when I couldn't swim) and I'm still in one piece.
I've lived in some rum old places since then and with some very interesting people, but now live in a 2 bed apartment with double-glazing and gas central heating. I have enough of money to pay my bills and my favorite chair is 20 years old and extremely comfortable, so until it falls to pieces I really don't see any point in getting another one. I wear comfortable clothes (not designer) and eat tv dinners cos I can't be bothered to cook for just me during the week. My favorite pastimes, besides messing about with computers and robots, is visiting interesting places and going for walks in the country... and I hate gardening!
Justintime
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Agreed, if not then male hetrosexuals should'nt be allowed to teach little girls in pre school and be brownie guides or whatever, just because they like men don't mean they like boys, i certainly don't fancy 5yr old girls (eww)
, i find 17yr old girls ewwish and all 
Kids on an idividual basis are usually fine, but in groups peer pressure takes over... 
Ardsgaine
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ol' man said:
In the five elections that have occurred since I started voting, I voted Democratic once, Republican twice, Independent once (Perot), and one year I just stayed home because it wasn't a real choice (Dole vs Clinton). In general, I find Republicans less odious than Democrats. There are some, like Buchanan, Robertson and Lott, whom I loathe.
I'm an atheist.
Most of them are okay.
No. I'm not an absolutist on the subject. I just think that people have the right to self-defense, so they should be armed at least as well as the criminals.
I'm pro-choice.
Not until we have a lot more planets to move to.
Yes.
I think that private organizations should be allowed to make those decisions for themselves.
Yes.
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You can call me a pro-choice, pro-pollution, capatilist extremeist libertarian.