Sickening

[spike]

I'm not blaming anyone. There are numerous cases on record wherein the "victim" has recanted -- sometimes under oath during testimony -- and stated that they lied because of some petty offense of the accused? "He gave me a bad grade", etc.

What does that prove Jim? Do you think there are cases on record where the victim has been telling the truth?

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

steal their children away to places probably as fucked up than home.

That'd take some doing.

 

[Gonz]

larry totally pussed out. didn't really probe for shit on the teenie pregnancies. kinda sad. i knew there was a reason i never watched larry king.

When you're 1000 years old, it takes a lot to remember why you're there.

 

[MrBishop]

That's my point. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE! The court ruled that CPS HAD NO EVIDENCE! If they had as much evidence as your overactive imagination supposes there is; don't you think they would have presented what they had before the court? They didn't because they don't have the evidence. They didn't because they have no one to charge.

There's nothing saying that they have "No evidence" of child-molestation, forced marriage etc etc.., Jim. Only that they have insufficient evidence to prove that the children taken were in immediate danger.

Your article proves that the child welfare dept jumped the line and should've gotten court approval before taking the kids. It does NOT state that the kids were not molested, or the adults are as pure as the newly fallen snow etc etc... only that the child-welfare people went beyond their mandate.

It's a slap on the hand for child welfare services, and not a 'get out of jail free' card for the lot.

 

[Inkara1]

Good to know you fantasize about me.

You lost! I said this is what would happen. Gonz said that this is what would happen. Now it has happened. You lost, but the part that most galls you is that you lost to ... ME!

Seems like I might not be very far off on my assessment of your reaction to all of this, which is that you being right is more important than the actual truth.

 

[jimpeel]

Seems like I might not be very far off on my assessment of your reaction to all of this, which is that you being right is more important than the actual truth.

Actually it is the opposite. The truth is of paramount importance. I come second to that; and I defended that truth when others were ready to hang these people without a trial.

(Actually, I want to be accurate here. Some here wanted to "Just take them rascals out in the swamp Put 'em on their knees and tie 'em to a stump Let the rattlers and the bugs and the alligators do the rest")

Now it turns out that CPS never had the lawful authority to do what they did and the taxpayers of TX are the worse for wear for their bumbling mistakes -- all brought on by a psychotic crank making a hoax phone call.

 

[Inkara1]

Actually it is the opposite. The truth is of paramount importance. I come second to that

The way you were acting, you sure had me fooled.

 

[jimpeel]

There's nothing saying that they have "No evidence" of child-molestation, forced marriage etc etc.., Jim. Only that they have insufficient evidence to prove that the children taken were in immediate danger.

Your article proves that the child welfare dept jumped the line and should've gotten court approval before taking the kids. It does NOT state that the kids were not molested, or the adults are as pure as the newly fallen snow etc etc... only that the child-welfare people went beyond their mandate.

It's a slap on the hand for child welfare services, and not a 'get out of jail free' card for the lot.

All I want is for the evidence to be presented prior to rushing to judgement. There are those here who were willing to murder these people en masse without a trial. I defended the law, as did Gonz, and we were both roundly criticized for that defense.

 

[jimpeel]

The way you were acting, you sure had me fooled.

Why shouldn't I throw it in the faces of those bent on the murder of these people without trial? They were arguing against American jurisprudence. Gonz and I were arguing for it.

 

[MrBishop]

All I want is for the evidence to be presented prior to rushing to judgement.

There are some on here that merely asked for the evidence to be garnered...for pretty much the same reasons. If the evidence gained proves the adults innocent..so be it. If it proves them guilty - see ruling of the SnP Superiour Court et al.

I fall into 'the natural innocence of children stands higher than the presumed (legal) innocence of their (presumed) perpetrators' - and tend to do so in most/all cases involving the molestation or exploitation of children.

 

[Inkara1]

Why shouldn't I throw it in the faces of those bent on the murder of these people without trial?

Maybe because it makes you look like a selfish, headstrong baby? Maybe because it makes you look like you want to win at all costs and beat your chest about it, no matter how much you try to tell us the opposite?

Naw, that can't be it...

 

[jimpeel]

There are some on here that merely asked for the evidence to be garnered...for pretty much the same reasons. If the evidence gained proves the adults innocent..so be it. If it proves them guilty - see ruling of the SnP Superiour Court et al.

I fall into 'the natural innocence of children stands higher than the presumed (legal) innocence of their (presumed) perpetrators' - and tend to do so in most/all cases involving the molestation or exploitation of children.

Then you need to read THIS, and THIS.

 

[spike]

Yeah, screw the children. Pun intended.

I noticed you weren't able to backup that last round of claims I responded to.

 

[jimpeel]

Yeah, screw the children. Pun intended.

I noticed you weren't able to backup that last round of claims I responded to.

I'm simply tired of wasteing keystrokes on you. I'm no typist.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

If it proves them guilty - see ruling of the SnP Superiour Court et al.

Somebody knocked 'em up. I'm voting against Immaculate Conception this time.


Does this mean I get one o'them powdered wigs and shit? Groovy!

 

[spike]

I'm simply tired of wasteing keystrokes on you. I'm no typist.

Yeah, like anyone here is going to believe you tired of typing given you tendency to lon winded posts about nothing. You just could no longer back up what you said. Don't try to make transparent excuses.

 

[Gonz]

Perhaps he's grown tired of wasting time with you?

 

[jimpeel]

Perhaps he's grown tired of wasting time with you?

BINGO!!!

 

[MrBishop]

Then you need to read THIS, and THIS.

I've read it... releasing 200 guilty people to protect 1 innocent. A kind of reverse wheat-with-the-chaff argument like those found regarding 'terrorist captives in Gitmo'.

As for the second link. Yes, there have been occasions of false positives regarding child-molestation... but in comparison to the stunning numbers of discovered cases and previously hidden cases of child abuse, bring up those particular cases is reaching. 2007 numbers indicate close to 800,000 cases in USA alone of abuse (annually)... 10-15% of which are sexual abuse. *reported cases only*

D. Corwin (1990) cites that in London many believed that sexual 'congress' with a child would cure venereal disease. Of capital rape prosecutions between 1730 and 1729, 25% of the cases involved victims younger than 10 years old.
62% of females are sexually abused by age 18. Finkelhor, David and J. Dziuba-Leatherman. "Victimization of Children." American Psychologist Vol. 49:3 (1992): 173-183.
1896 in The Aetiology of Hysteria, Freud discusses his "Seduction Theory" acknowledging the sexual abuse and incest of children.
31% of males are sexually abused by age 18. Ibid.
More than 60 million adult survivors of incest and sexual child abuse live in America. *Note these are only reported cases. It is believed as great as 50% of sexual child abuse is unreported. Forward, 1993
99% of sexual abuse survivors know their perpetrators-80% are abused by family members, 19% are abuse by other trusted adults. CCPA, 1992
Of 50 male sexual abuse survivors, many were as young as 8 years old. FBI Uniform Crime Report, 1991.
96% of female rape survivors were younger than 12 years old and knew their attackers. U.S. Department of Justice, 1992.
A study of 10,000 female children under age 18 raped in 1992, reports that 3,800 girls were under 12 years old. U.S. Justice Department, study conducted in 11 states and the District of Columbia, June 1994.
Of teenage, unwed mothers, 60-67% were incest survivors. Los Angeles Times survey, 1993
96% of teenage prostitutes were sexually molested in childhood. CCPA, 1992. Almost 80% had become prostitutes before age 18. Ibid. *60% of prostitutes were 16 or under; many were younger than 13. Ibid.
Over 80% of the mothers of incest survivors were also sexually abused.
57% of sexual child abuse and incest perpetrators are survivors of sexual child abuse. Goldstein-Harte Study 1973: Carter, et al.
A sexual child abuse perpetrator (a.k.a. sex offender) abuses an average of 117 children. National Institute of Mental Health, 1988.
Extensive evidence substantiates the fact that sexual child abuse has taken place for centuries.
In the U.S. in 2000 over 3 million child abuse and neglect reports were filed and one million were confirmed. There are 3,000 children abused each day and four of them will die. Forty % of these children were under the age of six. The age group with the highest abuse rate is 0-3 years. Nationally the highest form of abuse is neglect followed by physical abuse. In March of 2001 when President Bush declared April National Child Abuse Prevention Month he stated the cost of child abuse and neglect in the U.S. was $258 million dollars a day. This includes the price of intervention, the treatment of children who have been emotionally, physically or sexually abused as well as the indirect costs of the long term consequences both for the child and our society. Prevent Child Abuse America.
In 2000, there were 261,000 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. [2000 National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics.] Of these 261,000, 114,000 were victims of sexual assault, 55,000 were victims of attempted rape, and 92,000 were victims of completed rape. [2000 NCVS.]
An estimated 906,000 children were victims of abuse and neglect in 2003 (cases substantiated by child protective service agencies).1
In 2003, 48.3 percent of child victims were male; 51.7 percent of victims were female. 83.9 percent of victims were abused by a parent. 40.8% of child victims were maltreated by their mothers acting alone; another 18.8 percent were maltreated by their fathers acting alone; 16.9 percent were abused by both parents.1
Types of maltreatment included:1
Neglect (including medical neglect) 61%

Physical Abuse 19%

Sexual Abuse 10% (90,600 children)

Psychological Maltreatment 5%

Medical Maltreatment 2%

Other* 17%

http://ezinearticles.com/?Child-Abuse-Statistics&id=133361

 

[MrBishop]

Somebody knocked 'em up. I'm voting against Immaculate Conception this time.


Does this mean I get one o'them powdered wigs and shit? Groovy!

Hope you're not allergic to talc.