Once again, Democrats stand in the schoolhouse door.

[Cerise]

Employers pay a tax to help fund it but I'm betting.......

So what you mean to say is you don't know for sure.

And since you get your information from the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities then it's just more biased speculation on your part.

One receives a check from the state because the state "administers and manages" the unemployment insurance program.

Unemployment compensation is paid from a State's Unemployment Compensation Fund. Contributions to that fund are made by employers throughout that state, in accordance with a formula that accounts for the number of employees, total wages paid, and average claim benefits paid.

Unemployment compensation law: an overview

 

[MrBishop]

"Gonz's ideal America" was what we are inteded to be. From the start, our government was written & directed to give power to the people. It was inteded to have local government run those above them. A city should have more authority than a state. The state, more than the feds.

The Civil War began increasing the power of the federal gov't. Incrementalism at its finest. Suddenly, we have the feds telling the states that their speed limits must be 55 or they won't get tax dollars. Tax dollars than came from the states.

The American standard is one of individualism. Get the barriers out of the way & allow the individual to prosper, or fail. You want a publically funded school? Great, go to you city or county & petition them. Don't go to Uncle Sam & have him force regulations on your municipality. Regualtions that may not make sense.

Stand on your own two feet. Make your own way. Live or die by your wits & skills. We did it for over a hundred years. Now, people can't even buy a friggin toilet unless some beauracrat has okayed it.

That is control that we don't need, control that has hampered our growth & abilities and control that is destroying us.

Roads, stamps & armies. Let the people do the rest.

Is ti just me, or does the first part sound a whole lot like Socialism

 

[spike]

So what you mean to say is you don't know for sure.

Actually I do know for sure. The checks come from the government and are paid out of tax monies.

It doesn't look like anything you posted contradicted the information from my "left leaning" source.

 

[Cerise]

When unemployment recipients are taxed by the IRS on the compensation they receive, why do you consider the payments "a handout" ?

Form 1099-g, box 1.

 

[spike]

Paying taxes on a handout doesn't make it suddenly not a handout. Not really relevant.

 

[Cerise]

A "handout" is free money, like what those welfare recipients you mentioned get from the taxpayers. It's something for nothing. Unemployment compensation is not a handout. It is taxable income.

Specifically, what about unemployment comp. do you feel makes it a handout?

 

[spike]

Let's see. You don't work and you get tax money. Whether the handout money is taxed is irrelevant.

By this twisted logic of yours I'd have to assume you'd be 100% behind welfare if it was taxable. Interesting.

 

[catocom]

Is ti just me, or does the first part sound a whole lot like Socialism

it's just you.
Socialism doesn't give the people any 'power'.

 

[Cerise]

Let's see. You don't work and you get tax money. Whether the handout money is taxed is irrelevant.

By this twisted logic of yours I'd have to assume you'd be 100% behind welfare if it was taxable. Interesting.

You don't work, but you did work, and through no fault of your own you again don't work, so you receive temporary payments from a program contributed to by former employers until you find another job or the alotted time runs out on those payments. Income taxes are either deducted from those payments each check, or you pay a lump sum at tax time.

And you think that it is similiar to welfare payments how?

 

[MrBishop]

it's just you.
Socialism doesn't give the people any 'power'.

Socialism gives all the power to the people/public equally. Everybody owns everything as opposed to a select few owning the means of production and the masses working towards making the select few richer.(Capitalism).

That's not how it's worked in the past..but then again, Capitalism isn't working the way it was conceived either.

 

[spike]

and through no fault of your own you again don't work

Wrong. You cans still get unemployment if you're fired for unsatisfactory job performance.

And you think that it is similiar to welfare payments how?

You don't work and yet you get paid for doing nothing from tax dollars. I'm not sure why you can't see the similarity. Have you received unemployment?

 

[2minkey]

You don't work, but you did work, and through no fault of your own you again don't work.

holy shit assertions like that of structural unemployment... now that is commie speak if i ever done heard it. what a bunch of shit. everyone gotta earn their way and if they aren't employed, it's cuz they don't want no job or they're too lazy to not get fired. that's the american way. that's gonz's world and that should be youz too. golly i can't believe that marxist nonsense you just spouted. hold on, i think you need this:

YEAH BAABY!!! FREEDOM AIN't ABOUT NO GOVERNMENT HANDOUT n'SHIT!!!

 

[Cerise]

Wrong. You cans still get unemployment if you're fired for unsatisfactory job performance.

You can but, for instance, where I live there is a 12 week disqualification period if you are fired, as well as if you quit without good cause. And the number of weekly benefits are reduced by 12 weeks. An employer lay-off, or quitting with good cause and there is only a one week waiting period. You do the math. And I'm sure most states have equivalent requirements.

You don't work and yet you get paid for doing nothing from tax dollars. I'm not sure why you can't see the similarity. Have you received unemployment?

Because there is no similarity. The difference is it is considered income and taxed. And limited in the number of weeks you can collect. And the checks come with the preconditions that you do a weekly job search, and are available for, and able to work.

What kind of preconditions are placed on a welfare recipient?

 

[Cerise]

holy shit...

Psssttt! No fault of your own in this case would mean the reason it happened is out of your control.


It's like this bumper sticker :

Unless you voted for Him, that is. Thanks alot, Ozombies.

 

[catocom]

Socialism gives all the power to the people/public equally. Everybody owns everything as opposed to a select few owning the means of production and the masses working towards making the select few richer.(Capitalism).

That's not how it's worked in the past..but then again, Capitalism isn't working the way it was conceived either.

I've never seen it work that way.
There's always elites in there somewhere.

 

[MrBishop]

I've never seen it work that way.
There's always elites in there somewhere.

Kibbutzes and communes are the most pointed-to examples of working socialism.
Some communes are secular, some religious. Shakers, Branch Davidians and Amity Colony are examples of American style socialist communes.

Some people are just 'more equal' than others...that's human nature tho' - not the fault of the concept.

 

[catocom]

sounds like jim jones stuff to me.
Don't mind if I don't subscribe to that direction, do ya?

 

[spike]

You can

Correct.

Because there is no similarity.

The extremely similar part and the main idea of both is that you don't work and yet you get paid for not working. They aren't the same in every way but they are exactly the same in the main way (money for not working).

Have you received unemployment?

 

[MrBishop]

sounds like jim jones stuff to me.
Don't mind if I don't subscribe to that direction, do ya?

No worries. Capitalism has worked thus far, although we're feeling some of the shoes dropping now, eh.
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[2minkey]

Psssttt! No fault of your own in this case would mean the reason it happened is out of your control.

there's that commie talk again. out of your control? bullshit. pull yous sad self up by the bootstraps. your destiny is a product of your own decisions and actions.

out of your control is a pinko excuse for not achieving shit. no real red blooded americkan macho vigilante cowboy hero could possibly buy into that crap.