If you don't believe in Heaven, do you believe in.....

[Gonz]

Damn I've been found out. randomj^&%^*(%* has me pegged. I'm not an atheists because I don't fit his definition of atheist.

Forgive me mark, for I have sinned.

 

[randomJACKASS]

Perhaps a sociopath?

 

[MrBishop]

I believe literally that. This power whatever it is is not external to you, it is at your core. You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. I just think you are wrong, way wrong! In ways I can't begin to adequately explain I have seen too much evidence contrary to your point of view.

Actually we were fooling ourselves, for deep down in every man, woman, and child, is the fundamental idea of God. It may be obscured by calamity, by pomp, by worship of other things, but in some form or other it is there. For faith in a Power greater than ourselves, and miraculous demonstrations of that power in human lives, are facts as old as man himself.

In every child is what is known and unknown. The unknown is feared...that's a biological imperative. Something which you cannot predict can and may kill you. Often, there is little that you can do about it...so you try and appease it...directly or indirectly. Sometimes that translates into the god complex. Polytheism - a god for every season and every reason--literally. This was pared down eventually to a smaller form of Polytheism and then Monotheism, when the unknowns became known. A more singular uber-being became necessary. That 'miracles' became attributed to a single entity instead of a lack of understanding of what is/was really going on does not make them 'facts of demostrations of power'. Nor does unquestioning belief in a particular uber-power make such a creature exist.

I think that you're wrong as well...and so where do we go from there? You are free to believe your beliefs...am I free to believe mine?

 

[Frodo]

I'm guessing the lesson was don't vote for some idiot who will mislead the country with psycho fear mongering into invading a country that isn't threatening us.

May we never do that again.

You're being too hard on BJ Clinton. I'm sure he felt a strong moral argument for going into Kosovo and Somalia.

 

[spike]

Fixt that^ for you.

And your darned tootin' right! may we survive the next 3 years.

Nah you fucked it up. It has nothing to do with killing people or the war now which was the subject. Obama's landslide and Bush's approval rating was proof of were American's want their country headed.

By the way I don't think you understand socialism either. But hey throw around random labels, maybe you'll scare some less intelligent folks.

 

[Gonz]

By the way I don't think you understand socialism either.

It might help if you were to explain it to him.

 

[spike]

I've showed him how to research on his own.

 

[randomJACKASS]

....Calling everyone agnosts is fence-sitting and doesn't wash...it assumes that everyone considers the idea of a uber-powerful babysitter to be a viable one enough to even discuss it.

No it is like the guy in the mental institution that swears he is Napoleon. He isn't, but you could never convince him of that. Same principle at work here. For many years people thought the world was flat, but that didn't make it so. The Wright brothers were loony! Man cannot fly ever! But yet now we do!

I believe, quite firmly that nobody alive can know the mystery of the power behind the universe. I don't particularly think "god" is even the best word for it. The point is, even those convinced that they know all the particulars can't. I also believe atheism is a myth because I think some form of spirituality is so integral to what any human being is, that it is just another form of denial.

Again I will quote the same little paragraph:

The prosaic steel girder is a mass of electrons whirling around each other at incredible speed. These tiny bodies are governed by precise laws, and these laws hold true throughout the material world. Science tells us so. We have no reason to doubt it. When, however, the perfectly logical assumption is suggested that underneath the material world and life as we see it, there is an All Powerful, Guiding, Creative Intelligence, right there our perverse streak comes to the surface and we laboriously set out to convince ourselves it isn't so. We read wordy books and indulge in windy arguments, thinking we believe this universe needs no God to explain it. Were our contentions true, it would follow that life originated out of nothing, means nothing, and proceeds nowhere.

Does life originate from nothing, mean nothing and proceed nowhere? Like I said I am not even sure that "god" is even the best word for it, just inasmuch that people get a picture of something likely to be a fable. I wouldn't say there is some man in the sky who grants favors, But I am quite sure there is something more to all this that binds all things living and non-living together than meets the eye or can be explained by science. Hell even a lot of scientists have come on board with this theory of late.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Nah you fucked it up. It has nothing to do with killing people or the war now which was the subject. Obama's landslide and Bush's approval rating was proof of were American's want their country headed.

By the way I don't think you understand socialism either. But hey throw around random labels, maybe you'll scare some less intelligent folks.

WHAT? No its true, Rush Limbaugh said it. We're all going die in the next 3 years because Obama has put Fentanyl in the Flu vaccine. It a Gov't plot to kill off all the white people in Africa.

Beyond your empathetic posture, altruistic character and unwavering tolerance what I love bestest about you Spike is your super-duperest-smartness. Color me impressed. Can I lick your boot?


I would LOVE to be schooled about "Socialism" from you! Can you teach me about it in your own words?

 

[ResearchMonkey]

I've showed him how to research on his own.

I've been reading over at KOS. Can't find anything about socialism there, just American stuff.

I'd love it if you could explain it to me in your own words. I'm certain I would be a better person for you efforts. And who doesn't want to enlighten his fellow-man and help to create a better, safer world.

 

[spike]

WHAT? No its true, Rush Limbaugh said it. We're all going die in the next 3 years because Obama has put Fentanyl in the Flu vaccine. It a Gov't plot to kill off all the white people in Africa.

Beyond your empathetic posture, altruistic character and unwavering tolerance what I love bestest about you Spike is your super-duperest-smartness. Color me impressed. Can I lick your boot?

I have no idea what you attempting to say here. Maybe nothing? Looks like you were just trolling.

I would LOVE to be schooled about "Socialism" from you! Can you teach me about it in your own words?

I can't really see how it would fall to me to do this for you. But I'll start you off with a couple things "socialism" is not a big scary thing, it's method for getting things done. Socialized things can coexist with capitalism. See Sweden.

We have many "socialized" things in the US already that work well. Fire departments, police, post office, military, and highways. Health care can easily be one of these because it makes sense. Profit does not provide the right motivations in healthcare. It encourages repeat customers and prescriptions instead of fixing problems so they go away.

Imagine if our police were run on a for-profit basis?

 

[ResearchMonkey]

I just thought that you were the kind of guy who wants to help to create better world. A person willing to effect change and do his part to educate his fellow man to see the world properly framed, like you do. ..... maybe you just don't want a better world.

Hey, I have an idea! why don't you move to Sweden and get the fuck out of my country.

Was Che' a hero in your eyes?

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Most voters (59%) continue to believe the nation is heading down the wrong track, although that is down four points from last week and is the lowest level measured since mid-June. The latest result is also down four points from the week Obama was inaugurated in January.

By comparison, in early October of last year, 87% of voters said America was heading down the wrong track.

Rass

Wow, ~60% of American is racist. What huge increase in racism. How do we account for this?

 

[spike]

I just thought that you were the kind of guy who wants to help to create better world. A person willing to effect change and do his part to educate his fellow man to see the world properly framed, like you do. ..... maybe you just don't want a better world.

Hey, I have an idea! why don't you move to Sweden and get the fuck out of my country.

See? I give you some insight and you act like that. Why would I bother?

I got a better idea, why don't you and anyone else who isn't interested in working for the improvement of the country get the fuck out of my country?

If you're going to be lazy and uninformed we don't need you.

 

[spike]

Wow, ~60% of American is racist. What huge increase in racism. How do we account for this?

The improvement in numbers looks like it's because we have a better president and got some more of the republicans out of office. Wow, things are looking up.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

The improvement in numbers looks like it's because we have a better president and got some more of the republicans out of office. Wow, things are looking up.

We both agree that it is a drastic improvement in numbers that people are waking up. We also agree as to the cause which is President Obama. The only thing we seem to disagree on is what the numbers actually indicate.

Have you ever considered a career with ACORN? From what I've seen you would fit in good with that organization.

 

[Inkara1]

Spike is a lot of things, but I don't see him as the kind that would try to help a pimp and a ho set up a brothel to whore out 13-year-olds from El Salvador and dodge taxes in the process.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Spike is a lot of things, but I don't see him as the kind that would try to help a pimp and a ho set up a brothel to whore out 13-year-olds from El Salvador and dodge taxes in the process.

I guess you're 'prolly right, he does seem incapable of such a feat. As I see it Spike real value in society is the fact that; one day he will be fuel for a gasoline combustible motor.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

See? I give you some insight and you act like that. Why would I bother?

I got a better idea, why don't you and anyone else who isn't interested in working for the improvement of the country get the fuck out of my country?

If you're going to be lazy and uninformed we don't need you.

If by 'improvement' you mean 'complete destruction' ....well then..I see what you mean. See, you don't have a country, you want to ruin mine. You have nothing but a wet-dream that you've turned into a nightmare.

 

[spike]

The only thing we seem to disagree on is what the numbers actually indicate.

They indicate that much more people think the country is headed in the right direction. This is indicated by the poll question.