spike
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Hey stupid trolling from ResearchMonkey. Go figure.
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Hey stupid trolling from ResearchMonkey. Go figure.
spike
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I mean improvement. Maybe shooting a little higher than 37th.
No I have a country that I'm not going to let you fuck up.
ResearchMonkey
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- Close the borders, kick out the illegal aliens.
- Opened the free market for insurance.
- Reduce the size of bureaucracy and lower taxes.
Welcome to 1773.
spike
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Yeah, that's not going to help the uninsured get covered, or address the pre-existing condition issue, or keep insurance companies from dropping sick people. Thanks tho'.
If you had a country you wouldn't be intent on keeping it from catching up to other countries in healrhcare. Maybe you'd take the time to learn about the people running for president even.
Err...what?
ResearchMonkey
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The leftist health care plan is going down in flames.
With the very limited information you have ever been able to produce and clearly defend, I'm absolutely certain you are incapable of understanding capitalism and the free market.
Most certainly the free market is cable of over coming the issues you mention for the few that actually want health care. The free market is being hamstrung in effort to make it fail....the Gov't tends to have that effect when it attempts to fix society's ills with bureaucracy.
Care in the United State is by far the best in the world in term of capability and quality. You simply cannot argue that point (or any other point)
What are you going to do when 1/3 of the existing doctors quit if socialized medicine becomes a reality?
How about tort reform? We won't even need it with socialized medicine, there will be zero recourse, just death panels of bureaucrats in ivory towers.
Cuba, maybe you might like it there. Ask Maxine, your Congresscritter, to take you there.
....as for 1773. ....you should just hope we defeat your ilk before it comes to that foreseen option.
spike
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No, it's not.
With the zero information that you have been able to produce it is clear that you don't understand capitalism and the free market. You do like to troll though.
No, it hasn't and it won't for the many that want health care.
No, it isn't.
Actually it can have quite a great effect as witnessed by the 30+ countries with better healhcare.
No, we're ranked 37th and we trail similarly in many specific areas like life expectancy and infant mortality. You cannot argue that point.
When the stuff your dreams doesn't happen I won't do anything. Most doctors support public healthcare.
[quoote]How about tort reform? We won't even need it with socialized medicine, there will be zero recourse, just death panels of bureaucrats in ivory towers.[/quote]
There's no death panels in the reform. You made that up. There are however death panels in ivory towers with private insurance.
Antartica, maybe you'd like it there. Ask someone to chuck you there.
Coherency, try it.
In a heartbeat. Which one is it? Sure as hell isn't the USA.
Ranked number 37.
Well, hell.
Motorcycle crashes.
Suicides.
Train wrecks.
Gun shots.
Car accidents.
and sorted other causes that are a the bane of a modern advanced civilization. With over three hundred million people in one border, the numbers are skewed.
Perhaps you could take your girlfriend to Luxembourg (no. 16). They might fix her for free. I'd also bet you'd be far happier with the style of government & the people you live around. None of them damned conservatives to fuck up your socialism.
Well, hell.
Motorcycle crashes.
Suicides.
Train wrecks.
Gun shots.
Car accidents.
and sorted other causes that are a the bane of a modern advanced civilization. With over three hundred million people in one border, the numbers are skewed.
Perhaps you could take your girlfriend to Luxembourg (no. 16). They might fix her for free. I'd also bet you'd be far happier with the style of government & the people you live around. None of them damned conservatives to fuck up your socialism.
spike
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Yet it is the USA.
spike
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What about them?
How the hell are the numbers skewed. If you look at infant mortality they do these like look at per one thousand. The numbers are not skewed.
There are conservatives in Luxembourg and most countries have liberals and conservatives and moderates. Luckily our country is turning much more democratic than republican so I'm gonna stay here and continue to make it better.
Maybe you can find some conservative country that won't fuck up your fascism.
ResearchMonkey
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In general I call your list of facts crap.
I challenge you to prove a few of your claims you state as fact.
Come on bright eyes, you made the claims. Now lets see you show the facts, not the false data you have been fed.
I challenge you to prove a few of your claims you state as fact.
#1 - show me that the majority of practicing physicians support the leftist public health care bill. You cannot because ita a lie, they don't support it.
#2 - can you show me that life expectancy and infant mortality is a health care issue and not not related to drug abuse, life styles, work related stress, diet and physical activity and even the welfare nanny state among the other societal factors? -- I know you cannot account for those factors that are not health care related/.
#3 -- what countries have better health care and what factor exactly makes them better. (related to the question above).
#4 Show me some indicators that the American public supports your health care wet-dream that is burning on the tarmac.
#2 - can you show me that life expectancy and infant mortality is a health care issue and not not related to drug abuse, life styles, work related stress, diet and physical activity and even the welfare nanny state among the other societal factors? -- I know you cannot account for those factors that are not health care related/.
#3 -- what countries have better health care and what factor exactly makes them better. (related to the question above).
#4 Show me some indicators that the American public supports your health care wet-dream that is burning on the tarmac.
Come on bright eyes, you made the claims. Now lets see you show the facts, not the false data you have been fed.
Suddenly?
Let's go back to the turn of the last century. Common socialistic attrocitites included:
Federal Reserve Bank
Social Security
Medicare
Welfare
Federal speed limits
ResearchMonkey
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No it doesn't, but it accounts for 1/6th of the pie all by itself. It is the goal to devour the whole pie.
spike
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Ever wondered what your doctor thinks about the public option? A survey published today found most doctors are in favor of it.
Death is related to healthcare. There really aren't many indicators of any sort putting us near the top.
Linked several times but I know you ignore stuff.
77 Percent Support Choice Of Public Option
Now what does scientology say you should do in this case?
spike
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Yeah, the money we spend on healthcare is way more per person than other countries. Yet we get inferior results and leave millions uninsured. We should fix that.
I see what you did there. Made something up and then stated it as if it were actually true. I'm noticing a pattern here.
randomJACKASS
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OH WRONG! How can that be RM?!? You Wrong?!? Hell freezes over? Cats and Dogs friends?
Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option
by Joseph Shapiro
September 14, 2009
Majority Of Physicians Want Public And Private Insurance Options
Among all the players in the health care debate, doctors may be the least understood about where they stand on some of the key issues around changing the health care system. Now, a new survey finds some surprising results: A large majority of doctors say there should be a public option.
When polled, "nearly three-quarters of physicians supported some form of a public option, either alone or in combination with private insurance options," says Dr. Salomeh Keyhani. She and Dr. Alex Federman, both internists and researchers at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, conducted a random survey, by mail and by phone, of 2,130 doctors. They surveyed them from June right up to early September.
Most doctors — 63 percent — say they favor giving patients a choice that would include both public and private insurance. That's the position of President Obama and of many congressional Democrats. In addition, another 10 percent of doctors say they favor a public option only; they'd like to see a single-payer health care system. Together, the two groups add up to 73 percent.
When the American public is polled, anywhere from 50 to 70 percent favor a public option. So that means that when compared to their patients, doctors are bigger supporters of a public option.
Doctors' Support For Public Option 'Broad And Widespread'
The researchers say they found strong support for a public option among all categories of doctors. "We even saw that support being the same whether physicians lived in rural areas or metropolitan areas," says Federman.
"Whether they lived in southern regions of the United States or traditionally liberal parts of the country," says Keyhani, "we found that physicians, regardless — whether they were salaried or they were practice owners, regardless of whether they were specialists or primary care providers, regardless of where they lived — the support for the public option was broad and widespread."
Doctors and other supporters of health care overhaul attend a candlelight vigil in New York City in September 2009. The gathering was one of hundreds nationwide honoring those suffering under the current health care system.
Doctors and other supporters of health care overhaul attend a vigil.
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Doctors and other supporters of health care overhaul attend a candlelight vigil in New York City in September 2009. The gathering was one of hundreds nationwide honoring those suffering under the current health care system.
Keyhani says doctors already have experience with government-run health care, with Medicare. And she says the survey shows that, overall, they like it. "We've heard a lot about how the government is standing in between patients and their physician," Keyhani says. "And what we can see is that physicians support Medicare. So I think physicians have sort of signaled that a public option that's similar in design to Medicare would be a good way of ensuring patients get the care that they need."
The survey was published online Monday by the New England Journal of Medicine. It was funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, a health care research organization that favors health reform.
AMA Doctors Also Support Public Option
The survey even found widespread support for a public option among doctors who are members of the American Medical Association, a group that's opposed to it. The AMA fears a public option eventually could lead to government putting more limits on doctors' fees.
"The American Medical Association has traditionally been probably the loudest voice for physicians across the United States," says Federman. "And part of our reason for doing this research was really to get at the real voice of physicians as opposed to the voice of one physician organization."
Keyhani and Federman belong to another, smaller group, the National Physicians Alliance. It supports a public option, and Keyhani has spoken publicly about her own support for a public option.
What Would A Public Option Look Like?
It's hard to know for sure what doctors mean when they speak about a public option, says Dr. James Rohack, president of the AMA.
"Because when I say public option, or you say public option, it means different things to different people, kind of like the Rorschach ink blot test — when you look at it, to some people it means one thing, to other people it means the other thing."
Politicians in Washington turn to the AMA for support and guidance, even though fewer than a third of practicing doctors belong to the lobbying group.
The AMA's own position on a health overhaul has, at times, been hard to pinpoint. In July, it praised the bill that came out of the House of Representatives. That bill included a public option. But the AMA made it clear that what it really liked was that it eliminated cuts in doctors' fees from Medicare.
"And so I think that's why we need to be very clear about what does the AMA articulate for," says Rohack. "It's to make sure that everyone has coverage that's affordable, that's portable and that is quality — that is, it covers the things you need to cover because you've got a medical condition or developed a medical illness."
Oh just more lies and propaganda and distortions from the right! I suppose we've come to expect nothing less....
Propaganda FAIL!
ResearchMonkey
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Yeah, those other social factors aren't included in the "facts" you present.
You know that people who live in huts and eat fish diets have considerably less health problems and live longer with almost ZERO health care.
So until you can account for diets other social factors your "facts" mean exactly squat!
Gee it seems your "facts" are again in question.
You know that people who live in huts and eat fish diets have considerably less health problems and live longer with almost ZERO health care.
So until you can account for diets other social factors your "facts" mean exactly squat!
Gee it seems your "facts" are again in question.
randomJACKASS
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Well it does strike me as odd that I know several doctors personally and all but one supports major reform....
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