Geckos don't like Glenn Beck

[spike]

Ah, going for the Beck logic.

That's easy. Being a muslim does not equal being a terrorist.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Ah, going for the Beck logic.

That's easy. Being a muslim does not equal being a terrorist.

No one said he is a terrorist, only that there is potential for a believer of islam to carry a higher allegiance with islam than the United States. You clearly don't know much about Islam or the Koran. (you don't know much about any religion for that matter)


I thought you always back your stuff up, that you are reliable in your opinions. Obviously you have no proof and come out with another empty set of twist.

 

[spike]

No one said he is a terrorist, only that there is potential for a believer of islam to carry a higher allegiance with islam than the United States.

As with most religions. Yet that doesn't justify asking any religious person if they're working with criminals who share that religion.

For instance there would be no reason to ask a christian congressman to prove he's not working with abortion clinic bombers just because they share religion.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

As with most religions. Yet that doesn't justify asking any religious person if they're working with criminals who share that religion.

Is it unjustified to ask him where his political allegiance lies, with the nation Islam or the nation of the United States.

 

[spike]

Yes, it would also be unjustified to ask someone if their allegiance was with christianity or the US.

 

[Gonz]

Prove it.

watch the video

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Yes, it would also be unjustified to ask someone if their allegiance was with christianity or the US.

The Christian Bible affords one the the ability to have an allegiance with the COTUS without benefit of beheading the infidels. The Koran and Shira law, not so much.

There is considerable difference in the pages which you are swearing upon.

 

[Cerise]

The libs are freaking out over Beck!


Beck is 'out and out nuts,' Carville says

Fox News anchor and conservative commentator Glenn Beck was taking incoming fire Sunday from both ends of the political spectrum, but especially from Democratic strategist James Carville. "I think he's nuts, OK?," the outspoken Democrat said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union," "Just out-and-out nuts.

And I also think that he's a blatant hypocrite," Carville said. "Here's somebody that sits on his show … weeping about how much he loves America and … and then he's absolutely giddy when his country doesn't get the Olympics. And this is — I'll tell you another thing about Glenn Beck. He wouldn't know the difference between a football, a bat and a hockey court. This guy is not — he's just all — he's just all weeping......"

And don't you forget it!!




"A hockey court??" Does it have a net??

 

[spike]

watch the video

I did, it does not prove he wasn't offended.

 

[spike]

The Christian Bible affords one the the ability to have an allegiance with the COTUS without benefit of beheading the infidels. The Koran and Shira law, not so much.

Actually the Koran affords one that ability as much as the Bible does. Both do call god the ultimate authority and both call for violence towards unbelievers.

There's not much difference in the pages you are swearing upon.

 

[spike]

"Just out-and-out nuts.

And I also think that he's a blatant hypocrite

Yep.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Actually the Koran affords one that ability as much as the Bible does. Both do call god the ultimate authority and both call for violence towards unbelievers.

There's not much difference in the pages you are swearing upon.

Actually, no.

 

[spike]

Yes, you should read the bible sometime. It calls god the ultimate authority and calls for violence towards unbelievers.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Yes, you should read the bible sometime. It calls god the ultimate authority and calls for violence towards unbelievers.

Please quote this for me and then show how it plays a role in the current religious values of most accepted forms of Christianity.

Or are you making shit up again?

 

[spike]

God ultimate authority.

There's many references about violence towards unbelievers in the bible.

Here's some
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ex/23.html#24

Here's some more:

Exodus
31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Calling for violence towards unbelievers is actually all over the bible. That's just a couple from Exodus. Read the thing sometime. It's more than a little crazy.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

God ultimate authority.

There's many references about violence towards unbelievers in the bible.

Here's some
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ex/23.html#24

Here's some more:

Exodus
31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Calling for violence towards unbelievers is actually all over the bible. That's just a couple from Exodus. Read the thing sometime. It's more than a little crazy.

Schweet, nice find in the old testament. So how does what you quoted play a role in modern day society.

I haven't seen anyone flying aircraft into buildings for working on the Sabbath. In fact I worked in my front yard this week-end and felt 100% safe.

Have you ever opened a bible or did it burn your fingers?

 

[Cerise]

Except, as has been pointed out many a time prior, that the Koran says to kill Infidels in Allah's name.

Qur'an 8:1 "They ask you about the benefits of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: 'The benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.' So fulfill your duty to Allah and the Prophet." Qur'an 8:5 "Your Lord sent you from your homes to fight for the true cause." Qur'an 8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'" Qur'an 8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle." Qur'an 8:15 "Believers, when you meet the unbelievers in battle, do not turn your back on them for any Muslim who retreats will bring the wrath of Allah on himself and will abide in Hell." Qur'an 8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave them shelter and aided them are your allies. You are only called to protect Muslims who fight." Qur'an 8:73 "The infidels aid one another. Unless you do the same there will be anarchy in the land. Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause are good Muslims." Qur'an 8:57 "If you meet them in battle, inflict on them such a defeat as would be a lesson for those who come after them, that they may be warned." Qur'an 8:59 "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy." Qur'an 8:71 "He will give you mastery over them." Qur'an 8:39 "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam."

Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

Qur'an 5:51 "O believers, do not hold Jews and Christians as your allies. They are allies of one another; and anyone who makes them his friends is one of them." Qur'an 2:10 "As for those who deny Islam...they shall be the faggots for the Fire of Hell." Islam's god is a spirit of an entirely different color. Ishaq:327 "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'" Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken captive." Qur'an 33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."

Ishaq:576 "Allah and Muhammad humiliated every coward and made our religion victorious. We were glorified and destroyed them all. By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting for the spoil. With our loud-voiced army, the Apostle's squadron advanced into the fray."

Tabari IX:69 "Arabs were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."

Muslim:C20B1N4597 "The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: 'There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.'"

Qur'an 61:4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause."

Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."

Bukhari:V4B52N63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, 'Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced Islam and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, 'A Little work, but a great reward.'"

Bukhari:V4B53N386 "Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: 'Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"

Qur'an 47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."

Ishaq:315 "It was so criminal, men could hardly imagine it. Muhammad was ennobled because of the bloody fighting. I swear we shall never lack soldiers nor army leaders. Driving before us infidels until we subdue them with a halter above their noses and a branding iron. We will drive them to the ends of the earth. We will pursue them on horse and on foot. We will never deviate from fighting in our cause. Any people that disobey Muhammad will pay for it. If you do not surrender to Islam, then you will live to regret it. You will be shamed in Hell, forced to wear a garment of molten pitch forever!"

Ishaq:208 "When Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound ourselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances."

Qur'an 2:190 "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah's Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad, Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad, Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite."

 

[catocom]

Have you ever opened a bible or did it burn your fingers?

 

[spike]

Schweet, nice find in the old testament.

Oh, the old testament doesn't matter? God was just crazy then?

Most christian religions still quote from the old testament. You realize that right?

But if you want new testament...

Luke 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

I haven't seen anyone flying aircraft into buildings for working on the Sabbath. In fact I worked in my front yard this week-end and felt 100% safe.

Same here. I feel safe most of the time.

Have you ever opened a bible or did it burn your fingers?

If you didn't know it advocates violence towards unbelievers it looks like I've read much more of it than you. Check it out sometime.

 

[spike]

Except, as has been pointed out many a time prior, that the Koran says to kill Infidels in Allah's name.

Yeah the bible wants you to kill the Infidels right in front of god.