Marriage: RITE or RIGHT?

[spike]

Students have the right to pray individually or in groups or to discuss their religious views with their peers so long as they are not disruptive.

http://www2.ed.gov/Speeches/04-1995/prayer.html#1

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[catocom]

who gets to decide if it's disruptive?

 

[valkyrie]

who gets to decide if it's disruptive?

I think the term disruptive has the same meaning as anything else that might be disruptive. Would you allow someone to toss a football across a classroom while students are concentrating on an exam or completing an assignment?

 

[valkyrie]

because they've said so.

Check your local school and see.

I think you are mistaken...
"Prayer
Each student has a right to individually, voluntarily, and silently pray or meditate in school in a manner that does not disrupt instructional or other activities of the school. The school will not require, encourage, or coerce a student to engage in or to refrain from such prayer or meditation during any school activity."
There is no mention of "designated areas" for prayer.

What does your local school say? You can find reference to this in the student handbook.

 

[catocom]

I already said not in class.
That is sensible.
Not being able to pray in the halls between classes, or at football games is not acceptable.

 

[catocom]

all the local schools here say no, none.

You can't even wear a shit with the likeness of Jesus on it.
Heck, you can't even wear a plain white t-shirt.

 

[valkyrie]

I already said not in class.
That is sensible.
Not being able to pray in the halls between classes, or at football games is not acceptable.

But it doesn't say that anywhere. Where do you get the idea that schools forbid prayer in the halls or at school activities?

 

[spike]

I already said not in class.
That is sensible.
Not being able to pray in the halls between classes, or at football games is not acceptable.

"Students have the right to pray individually or in groups or to discuss their religious views with their peers so long as they are not disruptive. Because the Establishment Clause does not apply to purely private speech, students enjoy the right to read their Bibles or other scriptures, say grace before meals, pray before tests, and discuss religion with other willing student listeners. In the classroom students have the right to pray quietly except when required to be actively engaged in school activities (e.g., students may not decide to pray just as a teacher calls on them). In informal settings, such as the cafeteria or in the halls, students may pray either audibly or silently, subject to the same rules of order as apply to other speech in these locations. However, the right to engage in voluntary prayer does not include, for example, the right to have a captive audience listen or to compel other students to participate."

 

[catocom]

But it doesn't say that anywhere. Where do you get the idea that schools forbid prayer in the halls or at school activities?

directly from the principles in the schools here.

Maybe it isn't that way in every school, but it is in many.

 

[Gotholic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqzfIitfHjU

Ah, liberal intolerance!

 

[valkyrie]

all the local schools here say no, none.

You can't even wear a shit with the likeness of Jesus on it.
Heck, you can't even wear a plain white t-shirt.

So now I understand. This is local to your school district then?

There was a kid in Houston who was kicked out of school for wearing a Confederate flag on it (can't recall the school). Kids have also not been allowed to wear certain colored shirts (blue or red or black) in some schools because of gang problems. I don't know what the plain white T-shirt is supposed to be about.

 

[Gotholic]

So now I understand. This is local to your school district then?

There was a kid in Houston who was kicked out of school for wearing a Confederate flag on it (can't recall the school). Kids have also not been allowed to wear certain colored shirts (blue or red or black) in some schools because of gang problems. I don't know what the plain white T-shirt is supposed to be about.

Those pesky greasers I tells ya.

 

[catocom]

It's also that way in about 50 other schools I checked on around the nation.

I got tired of checking after that.
It's an epidemic proportion.

Beware, your liberties are fading. Make no mistake.

 

[valkyrie]

directly from the principles in the schools here.

Maybe it isn't that way in every school, but it is in many.

Check the school district's policy on it. I wonder if this is from the principal only and it this is something that is not official policy.

If it is, maybe some students should hold some civil disobedience prayer protests where they group together in the hall for a group prayer or something, keeping the group to the side so that it does not interfere with the flow of traffic or block anyone from their locker or a door. Dunno. I see this as a clear violation of Church and State separation if it doesn't disrupt.

 

[catocom]

no, I also check with several supers too.

I'd provide my findings, but it's copyrighted not, and it's not mine.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

I'm not the one you have to convince because events in your life do not affect me, they affect you.

LOL, yeah Val i'm so deeply scared and violated by it I posted about it on public internet forum.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

I've come to the conclusion that we can solve the liberal marriage issue by introducing IPv4 marriage licensing.

 

[valkyrie]

no, I also check with several supers too.

I'd provide my findings, but it's copyrighted not, and it's not mine.

A link would be fine but I'll trust you on this, Cat. You're not the type of member that makes things up.

I am surprised at that rule, though. To ban it completely on school property is clearly a violation of a student's right. If they're not disrupting the education of others, not disrupting the flow of traffic in the halls and not pushing it on other students I don't see any harm in the students praying among themselves. It would be nice if someone would challenge that in court.

 

[catocom]

no links.
It Is an ongoing 'investigation' (national)
All the local media, and county schools are being looked at. (and law enforcement)
I'll let you know if some news breaks.

One local preacher moved to the next county because he said he didn't
want his kids going to the public schools in this hood.

 

[MrBishop]

I've come to the conclusion that we can solve the liberal marriage issue by introducing IPv4 marriage licensing.

Found this on the netz

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