Accomplishments in Iraq

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
HAve to agree with chcr... democracy is not the be all and end all of political systems.

What happens if they prefer Theocracy, or Socialism, or Communism ? Can't twist their arms and say
"Hey...what are you stupid? America is democratic and America is the greatest country on the earth, therefore Democracy is what you HAVE to choose"

S'not going to work
 

A.B.Normal

New Member
The electricty levels may be greater than before the War ,but they still aren't consistent .This is/may be caused by sabotage ,but its still can't be seen as a success by the US.The lines for fuel are longer than during the war itself are a causing irritation amongst the Iraqis,understandable ,since they live on top of a sea of oil.




Despite its vast underground oil reserves — estimated to be the world’s second-largest — Iraq is a country starved of petroleum products. Not only is gasoline in short supply, but so too are diesel, kerosene and propane.

U.S. officials here contend the gas shortage has numerous causes; they cite the import of 250,000 new cars since the end of the war and slumps in production during Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting. Compounding the problem, they said, are Iraq’s antiquated refineries, which have not been able to resume prewar output levels because supplies of two crucial inputs — crude oil and electricity — are regularly disrupted.


http://www.msnbc.com/news/1003013.asp
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
chcr said:
simply not interested.

Every single person I've met that was from the ME has stated an interest in a democratically controlled government. Every one. Granted, that would be a small sampling of the total number (less than 100) but it is indicitive of a people who wish to remain in their homeland, under a safer & more stable system. Since they couldn't, they moved here.
 

AlphaTroll

New Member
HeXp£Øi± said:
Wow! Alphatroll you sound really upset. Lol. That comment was not directed at you but was an opinion that i hold of the general population

Perhaps then you can share just what the repercussions will be if we turn tail and run or worse yet fail to stabalize the nation of Iraq. I'm interested in your response. Oh and by the way, the Red cross has been pulling out of Iraq and hasn't had a headquarters in Baghdad or Basra among other major areas for some time. But more importantly, nothing positive that's being done in Iraq by any non governmental organization or otherwise would even have been possible if it hadn't been for the action of the United States military.

I was pissed off because I took your remark as a personal attack.

And let's see, the repercussions of US troops leaving the area now.... you mean besides the obvious media backlash about the historical unwillingness of the US to stay, not only after their lack of commitment in Pakistan and Afghanistan, but also taking into account Bush's continuous reassurances that the US will stay until Iraq is fully stabilised.

He cannot afford to be caught out on another lie, I doubt that the American people would be very impressed with their tax dollars being used for something that isn't seen through to conclusion. Also, the diplomatic repercussions for the Bush administration would be far reaching - enforcing a lack of trust and thereby harming any chance of being taken seriously in any peace keeping initiatives in the Middle East.

And then of course there is the Israel/Palestine conflict. In 1996 a document was drawn up and presented to Benjamin Netanyahu that outlined a foreign policy for Israel that would basically move from emphasis on the peace keeping process to a concept based on balance of power (Richard Perle and Douglas Feith were both part of the committee that drew up the document - both these gentleman are staunch pro-Israeli advocates). An important point according to that document was to remove Saddam from power in order to achieve this balance of power. So, if the US withdraws now, leaving the path open for Saddam supporters to retake the region and probably enforce their laws even more harshly than before, that so-called balance of power won't be achieved - thereby impacting greatly on the conflict between Israel and Palestine. Of course there is always the possibility that the conflict could extend beyond these countries and involve Iraq, Kuweit, Afghanistan and other Muslim countries in the region against Israel, who will of course call for help from their long time ally the US (who IMO will probably not be in any position to refuse).

Then there is the fact that, should pro-Saddam supporters retake power of Iraq, they will be hell bent on getting revenge on the US - possible terror attacks on US soil, attacks on whoever was seen as supporting the US, etc.

Failure to institute democratic principles in the government, which could impact on the economy of Iraq as free-trade principles will not be kept.

And on the humanitarian side there could be a massive backlash with aid agencies being the targets of whatever regime is in power if the US withdraws. Return to zero freedom in the country, opressive rule.

As for the Red Cross closing their head quarters in Baghdad and Basra, they had no choice in the matter as the conflict has become too intense in those areas. The work done there still continues though and they have remained in Northern Iraq.

And no, I do not agree that any of the good work done by aid organisations was only made possible by the US millitary. The ICRC has been working in Iraq for 23 years (since the Iran/Iraq war). And they may have come under fire in the past, but it is kinda ironic IMO that they have been the direct targets of bombings 3 times since the millitary (which you claim are responsible for their good work being done) has occupied Iraq. Also, the ICRC does not rely on millitary escorts to get where they are going, they do not live and work in millitary reinforced buildings - the only time they ever had any sort of millitary protection was in Chechnya. So how does the millitary presence make their work easier? Or rather, how did the US millitary facilitate their ability to do any good work?
 

freako104

Well-Known Member
MrBishop said:
HAve to agree with chcr... democracy is not the be all and end all of political systems.

What happens if they prefer Theocracy, or Socialism, or Communism ? Can't twist their arms and say
"Hey...what are you stupid? America is democratic and America is the greatest country on the earth, therefore Democracy is what you HAVE to choose"

S'not going to work


democracy is for the people. thus if they want a theocracy, church is state. same wiht socialism or communism. the democratic thing to do is allow it. and America has hex has said on here as well as so many others: America is a republic. but you are right in that the west has been feeling all countries should follow them.
 

freako104

Well-Known Member
youll notice tho that it is predominantly in the west tho.and they dont jsut have the egos. they have the bombs since they are insecure about the size of their penis so compensate to make themselves look bigger, and try to get people to think they are right ;)
 

AlphaTroll

New Member
:lol: shame on you for digressing this thread to the size of a man's penis freako! You know size doesn't matter.....much.......
 

AlphaTroll

New Member
Actually I've always thought bullets look more like whacked out nipples (well, the small ones anyway - not those big mothers).

:rofl: @ AB
 

chcr

Too cute for words
Every single person I've met that was from the ME has stated an interest in a democratically controlled government. Every one.
I might note that they all moved here. On the other hand, I'd like to live under a democratic government.

Again, though, you miss the point. You do understand that six times a day, a muslim must stop work, face Mecca and pray. I don't think you begin to understand how devout they are. Any form of government they accept must by definition bow to church law, so even if we introduce a democracy, the church still controls the power. They have a national religion, Gonz.

Tell you what, try this:
You have been living your life all wrong. In fact your parents and grandparents lived their's all wrong too. It's okay now, though, because I'm here to tell you how to do it right.
 

Squiggy

ThunderDick
Haliburton is making great progress in Iraq. They're raping the American taxpayer again. Guess we didn't learn very well the first time they defrauded us...:retard:
 

Squiggy

ThunderDick
I'm amazed you didn't post the articles, Gonz. Guess its just the welfare scum that run this country down, huh? :disgust2:
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
It's not worth the effort to make .pdf into txt.

The most qualifed coalition members get the job, as it should be. Why should France (et al) get rich off our backs?
 

Squiggy

ThunderDick
I meant about them raping us again. For BIG $$$. The same way they did last time. That doesn't bother you but a welfare mom staying on it too long throws you into a tither....:disgust2:
 
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