Americans Oppose Income Redistribution

[Cerise]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108445/Americans-Oppose-Income-Redistribution-Fix-Economy.aspx

Evidently, Obama has other ideas:

http://taxfoundation.org/

In short, the Obama plan would redistribute more than $131 billion per year from the top 1 percent of taxpayers to all other taxpayers. In 2009, for example, Tax Policy Center figures show that after the income-shifting in the Obama plan, the top 1 percent of taxpayers would pay a greater share of the total federal tax burden than the bottom 80 percent of Americans combined. In other words, 1.13 million Americans would pay more in all federal taxes than 128 million of their fellow citizens combined.

 

[tonksy]

Is this surprising? I kinda thought that was the basic rule of thumb for the democratic party.

 

[Cerise]

He has powers to mesmerize. To enthrall. To make you feel faint in his presence.


Slicker than Willie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYrUkvAcoss


(even the url grinds it's teeth at the thought of Prez Obama)

 

[tonksy]

He is very charismatic and I think we'd better get used to him.

 

[Cerise]

America's chickens......have not yet hatched.

Obama is not trying to introduce himself to unreached voters, but is engaged in damage control with many he’s already reached — and insulted and disillusioned.

As long as he was soaring above the fray with the lofty rhetoric of hope, change and unity, Obama could masquerade as a quasi-messianic figure, but once forced into the nitty-gritty of contested issues and debates, his false visage began to crack. http://eurekareporter.com/article/080627-its-only-about-winning

 

[tonksy]

Certainly...but my spidey sense says that the mainstream American voter will over look that when the choice comes between a democratic or a republican candidate. Quasi-messianic figure, indeed.

Mind you, these are not my views - just my finger to the wind.

 

[Gonz]

WASHINGTON -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday he will bypass the federal public financing system in the general election, abandoning an earlier commitment to take the money if his Republican rival did as well.


Obama, who set records raising money in the primary election, will forgo more than $84 million that would have been available to him in the general election. He would be the first candidate to do so since Congress passed 1970s post-Watergate campaign finance laws. Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee in waiting, has taken steps to accept the public funds in the general election.

Change.

source

 

[Inkara1]

Truthfully, all Obama has to do -- literally the only thing -- is continually beat the "McCain is four more years of Bush" drum. That's it. That's all. That's the only thing he has to do to win the election. Whether it's really true or not is not the point. He only needs to tell the nation it is and they'll vote the other way.

 

[Gonz]

Ask those that purport to support him about any of his stances (aside from "getting us out or Iraq") . They'll look at you blindly. He is one of the smoothest speakers with nothing to say in quite some time.

We will suffer for GW & GW won't be at fault.

 

[spike]

He is one of the smoothest speakers with nothing to say in quite some time.

That's one of those silly things that those who purport to oppose his stances say when they're too lazy to think. They refuse to look at the issues look at you blindly.

 

[Cerise]

........look at the issues......

The one that screams marxist black liberation theology?

White folk's greed run a world in need

Or the one that screams marxist income redistribution?

In short, the Obama plan would redistribute more than $131 billion per year from the top 1 percent of taxpayers to all other taxpayers. In 2009, for example, Tax Policy Center figures show that after the income-shifting in the Obama plan, the top 1 percent of taxpayers would pay a greater share of the total federal tax burden than the bottom 80 percent of Americans combined. In other words, 1.13 million Americans would pay more in all federal taxes than 128 million of their fellow citizens combined.

 

[Cerise]

Truthfully, all Obama has to do -- literally the only thing -- is continually beat the "McCain is four more years of Bush" drum. That's it. That's all. That's the only thing he has to do to win the election. Whether it's really true or not is not the point. He only needs to tell the nation it is and they'll vote the other way.

And they say there's no Media Bias.

 

[2minkey]

y'all can keep your silly bumper stickers.

but thanks for the post cerise.

it shows, unsurprisingly to most of us level-headed individuals, that leaning "democrat" does not mean that one is a commie pinko marxist, and, that, by these numbers, it's a relatively small number of redistribution advocates that pollute the political stream - the vast majority of americans are not the sneaky marxists that some of you seem to think lurk around every corner.

 

[spike]

The one that screams marxist black liberation theology?

Where'd that happen?

Or the one that screams marxist income redistribution?

Mis-labeling shit as marxist doesn't do much for your argument. Maybe we should call the current pres a fascist Nazi and have some debate about Marxism vs. Nazism. That would be productive.

By the way. The Tax Foundation is known to be misleading. http://www.cbpp.org/5-10-99tax2.htm

 

[spike]

And they say there's no Media Bias.

Why would that show media bias? Think Cerise.

 

[2minkey]

Mis-labeling shit as marxist doesn't do much for your argument.

it really does make this look like a silly, name-calling, finger-pointing elementary school playground-level discussion.

just be careful you ain't doing the same thing in reverse, you lousy commie pinko marxist.

 

[Cerise]

Where'd that happen?

In a church in Chicago attended by Obama and his wife for 20 years. Remember "goddamn America?" Ever heard of "White folk's greed runs a world in need."? Fundamental beliefs of that church's Rev Wright's world view, and that of his mentor, James Cone.

But black liberation theology takes this argument a large step further -- or perhaps backward. The Rev. Wright's intellectual mentor, professor James Cone of Union Theological Seminary, retreats from the universality of Christianity. "Black theology," says Cone, "refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him." And again: "Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy." And again: "In the New Testament, Jesus is not for all, but for the oppressed, the poor and unwanted of society, and against oppressors."http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050102901_pf.html

Mis-labeling shit as marxist doesn't do much for your argument.

So, if you think it was mislabeled, what would you call that "shit"?

By the way. The Tax Foundation is know to be misleading. http://www.cbpp.org/5-10-99tax2.htm

And a 10 year old article from an organization that was founded to work on fiscal policy and public programs that address the needs of the low income isn't?

 

[Cerise]

Why would that show media bias? Think Cerise.

How did you arrive at the opinion that the Bush administration's 8 year service to this country has been one of lies, corruption, incompetence, and criminality?
I know you heard it somewhere and believe every word of it.

 

[spike]

In a church in Chicago attended by Obama and his wife for 20 years. Remember "goddamn America?" Ever heard of "White folk's greed runs a world in need."? Fundamental beliefs of that church's Rev Wright's world view, and that of his mentor, James Cone.

So you have absolutely nothing showing Obama's stances on the issues are "marxist black liberation theology".

Should we be judging Bush's stances on the issues by his connection with Jim Bakker and other nuts?

So, if you think it was mislabeled, what would you call that "shit"?

Good policy.

And a 10 year old article from an organization that was founded to work on fiscal policy and public programs that address the needs of the low income isn't?

Maybe neither is objective.

 

[spike]

How did you arrive at the opinion that the Bush administration's 8 year service to this country has been one of lies, corruption, incompetence, and criminality?
I know you heard it somewhere and believe every word of it.

The question was how does Obama saying "McCain is four more years of Bush" show media bias? What does your answer have to do with the question?