PuterTutor said:Nope, as always you must be 100% right and we are all sinners beneath you, that's all. All hail Flav.
chcr said:Well, I haven't hurled any personal insults
Dismissing a tried and successful way of doing something because it offends your sensibilities does not serve you very well.
I agree that there is child abuse, this is not what we were discussing.
At some point, you have to draw the line with a child, because I promise that most of them will keep pushing till you make them stop.
If this involves a spanking, then that's what you do. Not all children need that kind of reinforcement, but some of them do.
I don't think you do the child (or anyone that has to deal with him in the future) any favors by letting them get away with something out of squeamishness.
flavio said:Yep, if you're really determined to use violence on children you're not going to like what they have to say about it. Easier just to close your mind and swing that rod at them.
Professur said:There's a manifest difference between spanking a child and beating one in anger. Yelling while spanking is the first sign of the latter. A calm single shot to the buttocks is not the same thing
Professur said:Flav, you obviously aren't reading what anyone without a doctorate is writing, so I'm not gonna bother talking to you anymore about it. You've got it locked into your mind that spanking is violent. And no amount of discussion is gonna change that. Obviously, there is no shades of grey in your world.
There's a manifest difference between spanking a child and beating one in anger. Yelling while spanking is the first sign of the latter. A calm single shot to the buttocks is not the same thing
Gonz said:. However, Columbine type atrocities are strictly 21st century.
I spent thirty seconds looking for what I found. This leads me to believe that there is an equally large body of evidence "for." I don't really have the time or the inclination to look farther. I make my judgements from life experiences. 90% of the people I know who are raising their kids with no form of corporal punishment are raising little monsters. This is just personal observation, but at my age, I know a lot of people with kids. Finally, I have met several psychologists and psychiatrists over the years, although none in a professional capacity. I can only remember one who was reasonably well adjusted himself and he builds custom cabinets for a living. You should stop assuming that because someone has an education that impresses you, that they necessarily know what they're talking about. My experience is that most people (myself included) are making it up as they go along. If you can't learn from your experiences, you can't learn.Dismissing a mountain of research that shows negative effects and equally effective other methods does not serve you very well. It seems that they have found better ways.
chcr said:I spent thirty seconds looking for what I found. This leads me to believe that there is an equally large body of evidence "for."
I don't really have the time or the inclination to look farther. I make my judgements from life experiences.
90% of the people I know who are raising their kids with no form of corporal punishment are raising little monsters. This is just personal observation, but at my age, I know a lot of people with kids.
You should stop assuming that because someone has an education that impresses you, that they necessarily know what they're talking about. My experience is that most people (myself included) are making it up as they go along. If you can't learn from your experiences, you can't learn.
Just that it isn't as harmful as the popular breastbeaters contend. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but most behavioral "scientific" studies start with the conclusion and interpret the data to support it. This is not science by any definition I'm familiar with. Since I was not there to observe the results myself, I find it difficult to accept them at face value. I believe that which has been demonstrated to be true. In my experience, corporal punishment works. It's unlikely that you can convince me otherwise, just as in my opinion you won't understand until confronted with the reality of children.Yes, a homeschool mom who's into spanking. Then two other links that don't actually advocate spanking.
outside looking in said:flav has posted no more solid evidence against corporal punishment than anyone else has for it. All of the "scientific evidence" has the obvious flaw that it isn't isolating the variable of interest.
outside looking in said:flav has posted no more solid evidence against corporal punishment than anyone else has for it. All of the "scientific evidence" has the obvious flaw that it isn't isolating the variable of interest.
I think it's telling, flav, how you you use the terms "swing the rod,"
"hit,"
and "child abuse"
A typical three year old injures themselves more in twenty minutes of playing than a lifetime of "spankings" ever could.
You have some apparently warped sense of what a spanking is, or are at least too stubborn to admit that you know the difference between spanking and "hitting" a child. It wouldn't serve your cause too well I suppose.
So... if you care to present any meaningful scientific studies, I'd be happy to comment on them. Until then, I'll continue dismissing them as unscientific - because they are.
chcr said:Just that it isn't as harmful as the popular breastbeaters contend. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but most behavioral "scientific" studies start with the conclusion and interpret the data to support it. This is not science by any definition I'm familiar with. Since I was not there to observe the results myself, I find it difficult to accept them at face value.
I believe that which has been demonstrated to be true. In my experience, corporal punishment works. It's unlikely that you can convince me otherwise,
believe what you want to believe flavio, but just stop trying to fight your opinion into the extreme man