Obama cohort trial to start Monday

[jimpeel]

This described the Democrat mentality perfectly.

Title: The Snake
Artist: AL WILSON

On her way to work one morning
Down the path along side the lake
A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew

"Oh well," she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you"
"Take me in oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake

She wrapped him up all cozy in a curvature of silk
And then laid him by the fireside with some honey and some milk
Now she hurried home from work that night as soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she'd taking in had been revived
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake

Now she clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died"
Now she stroked his pretty skin and then she kissed and held him tight
But instead of saying thanks, that snake gave her a vicious bite
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake

"I saved you," cried that woman
"And you've bit me even, why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"
"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake

 

[jimpeel]

You think Jews are evil?

I wasn't the one who brought them up and decried sending Israel money. It seems there is only one person here who has a problem with Jews and it isn't me.

 

[jimpeel]

"We fight against poverty because opportunity is a fundamental right to human dignity." - Bush

He wasn't speaking of the entire world and our funding a UN global tax. He was speaking of opportunity here in America.

 

[spike]

That is what opinion pieces are about -- the opinion of the author. Guess you didn't notice that.

I certainly did notice that you posted opinion pieces from nutcases.

 

[spike]

I wasn't the one who brought them up and decried sending Isreal money. It seems thare is only one person here who has a problem with Jews and it isn't me.

If you're not for sending massive amounts of funding to Israel you must have a problem with Jews?

Jim, take a logic class already.

 

[spike]

He wasn't speaking of the entire world and our funding a UN global tax. He was speaking of opportunity here in America.

Seems he was talking about fighting poverty. Do you approve of the aid he's giving Africa?

 

[jimpeel]

If you're not for sending massive amounts of funding to Israel you must have a problem with Jews?

Jim, take a logic class already.

Why, then, did you mention Israel specfically? Why not other places where we send money like sub-Saharan Africa, Mozambique, etc.? What about the International Monetary Fund? The World Bank?

Israel isn't even in the top ten countries receiving U.S. foreign aid. Yet you chose to list Israel with specificity ignoring all other aid recipients.

 

[jimpeel]

By the way, in all fairness, here is a leftist site decrying the failure of the U.S. to live up to the needs of the many pursuant to the Millenium Development Goals. Seems he reflects exactly what the "nutcases" are saying except he is on the other side of the equation.

It seems that, like Obama and his cohorts, he also wants that .7% of GNP -- which has now changed to GNI, or Gross National Income -- to be spent to further the UN dream of no poverty by 2015. He bitches about the aid being "only" .2 - .4% instead of the proposed .7%.

So here is a leftist decrying the same issue from the other side of the equation saying the same thing the "nutcases" are saying except he wants what the "nutcases" do not want which is a global UN tax of .7% of GNI to satisfy the tenets of the Millenium Development Goals by 2015.

Go figure. I guess this will be ignored as well.

It doesn't matter where the info comes from, its accuracy, the veracity of the author, the politics of the author, or the number of examples given. As long as what is preconceived in the minds of the posters here is at odds with that information then the information, regardless of source -- even their own -- is totally and irrevocably incorrect.

"Don't try to confuse me with facts. My mind is made up."

 

[jimpeel]

Seems he was talking about fighting poverty. Do you approve of the aid he's giving Africa?

I don't mind giving aid where it is needed. What I do mind is a socialist world government entity trying to tell us how much that aid should be.

Look at some of the places where aid is being sent. Iraq, China, Indonesia, India, Egypt. What in the hell do they need U.S. foreign aid for? Five of the top ten are countries to which I would never consider sending aid. Don't you think that the aid being sent to those countries could be better served in Haiti or Puerto Rico?

 

[spike]

Why, then, did you mention Israel specfically?

"Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid."

Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.


http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html


"Even excluding all of these extra costs, America's $84.8 billion in aid to Israel from fiscal years 1949 through 1998, and the interest the U.S. paid to borrow this money, has cost U.S. taxpayers $134.8 billion, not adjusted for inflation. Or, put another way, the nearly $14,630 every one of 5.8 million Israelis received from the U.S. government by Oct. 31, 1997 has cost American taxpayers $23,240 per Israeli."

http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm


Anyone who mentions this must hate Jews....right?

 

[spike]

"Don't try to confuse me with facts. My mind is made up."

Yes, you do that.

 

[jimpeel]

"Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid."

Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.


http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html


"Even excluding all of these extra costs, America's $84.8 billion in aid to Israel from fiscal years 1949 through 1998, and the interest the U.S. paid to borrow this money, has cost U.S. taxpayers $134.8 billion, not adjusted for inflation. Or, put another way, the nearly $14,630 every one of 5.8 million Israelis received from the U.S. government by Oct. 31, 1997 has cost American taxpayers $23,240 per Israeli."

http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm


Anyone who mentions this must hate Jews....right?

Nice job of pulling up information that is from November 1997 and December 2002 from non-governmental sources with an ax to grind.

So how about we view something a bit more recent ... say ... 2007 from USAID.gov you know, the guys who actually submit the budgets and hand out the money. But what would they know ... right?

http://www.usaid.gov/policy/budget/cbj2007/summtabs/st_5abcd.pdf

Near East 2007 (in thousands)
Egypt - - - - 455,000 - - - - - 455,000 SECOND
Iraq - - - - 478,770 - - - - - 478,770 FIRST
Israel - - - - 120,000 - - - - - 120,000 A DISTANT FIFTH
Jordan - - - - 245,000 - - - - - 245,000 THIRD
Lebanon - - - - 35,500 - - - - - 35,500
Morocco - 5,400 - 5,400 18,000 - - - - - 23,400
West Bank/Gaza - - - - 150,000 - - - - - 150,000 FOURTH
Yemen - - - - 12,000 - - - - - 12,000
Near East Subtotal - 5,400 - 5,400 1,514,270 - - - - - 1,519,670

 

[jimpeel]

Just for fun, how about 2006:

Near East 2006 (in thousands)
Egypt - - - - 490,050 - - - - - 490,050 FIRST
Iraq - - - - 60,390 - - - - - 60,390
Israel - - - - 237,600 - - - - - 237,600 THIRD
Jordan - - - - 247,500 - - - - - 247,500 SECOND
Lebanon - - - - 39,600 - - - - - 39,600
Morocco - 8,217 - 8,217 10,890 - - - - - 19,107
West Bank/Gaza - - - - 148,500 - - - - - 148,500
Yemen - - - - 7,920 - - - - - 7,920
Near East Subtotal - 8,217 - 8,217 1,242,450 - - - - - 1,250,667

How about 2005:

Near East 2005* - (in thousands)
Egypt - - - - 5 30,720 - - - - - 530,720 THIRD
Israel - - - - 4 07,120 - - - - - 407,120 FOURTH
Iraq - - - - - - - - - 2 ,963 2,963 SECOND
Jordan - - - - 3 48,000 - - - - - 348,000
Lebanon - 5 00 - 500 3 9,720 - - - - - 40,220
Libya - - - - 3 00 - - - - - 300
Morocco - 6 ,000 - 6,000 1 9,540 - - - - - 25,540
Tsunami Relief - - - - - - - - 12,232 1 2,232
West Bank/Gaza - - - - 2 24,400 - - - - 5 ,991 230,391 FIRST
Yemen - - - - 1 4,880 - - - - - 14,880
Near East Subtotal - 6 ,500 - 6 ,500 1,584,680 - - - - 2 1,186 1,612,366

*Excludes $759.637 million in IRRF funds for Iraq.

How about 2004:

Near East 2004* (in thousands)
Algeria - - - - - - - - - 931 931
Egypt - - - - 571,608 - - - - 2,345 573,953 SECOND
Israel - - - - 477,168 - - - - - 477,168 THIRD
Jordan - - - - 248,525 - - - - - 248,525
Jordan SUP - - - - 100,000 - - - - - 100,000
Lebanon - 400 - 400 34,794 - - - - - 35,194
Morocco - 5,400 - 5,400 - - - - - - 5,400
West Bank/Gaza - - - - 74,558 - - - - 4,955 79,513 FIRST
Yemen - - - - 11,432 - - - - - 11,432
Near East Subtotal - 5,800 - 5,800 1,518,085 - - - - 8,231 1,532,116

*Excludes $2,176.433 million in IRRF funds for Iraq.

Tsk, tsk. I guess Israel isn't the big winner after all.

 

[jimpeel]

Actually it looks like it's entirely different.

Did you even read what he wrote?

Rich Nations Agreed at UN to 0.7% of GNP To Aid
Recently, there was an EU pledge to spend 0.56% of GNI on poverty reduction by 2010, and 0.7% by 2015.

However,

The donor governments promised to spend 0.7% of GNI on ODA (Official Development Assistance) at the UN General Assembly in 1970—some 35 years ago as of writing
The deadline for reaching that target was the mid-1970s.
By 2015 (the year by when the Millenium Development Goals are hoped to be achieved) the target will be 45 years old.

Almost all rich nations fail this obligation
Even though these targets and agendas have been set, year after year almost all rich nations have constantly failed to reach their agreed obligations of the 0.7% target. Instead of 0.7%, the amount of aid has been around 0.2 to 0.4%, some $100 billion short.

Furthermore, the quality of the aid has been poor. As Pekka Hirvonen from the Global Policy Forum summarizes:

Recent increases [in foreign aid] do not tell the whole truth about rich countries’ generosity, or the lack of it. Measured as a proportion of gross national income (GNI), aid lags far behind the 0.7 percent target the United Nations set 35 years ago. Moreover, development assistance is often of dubious quality. In many cases,

• Aid is primarily designed to serve the strategic and economic interests of the donor countries;
• Or [aid is primarily designed] to benefit powerful domestic interest groups;
• Aid systems based on the interests of donors instead of the needs of recipients’ make development assistance inefficient;
• Too little aid reaches countries that most desperately need it; and,
• All too often, aid is wasted on overpriced goods and services from donor countries.

Some donate many dollars, but are low on GNI percent
Some interesting observations can be made about the amount of aid. For example:

USA’s aid, in terms of percentage of their GNP has almost always been lower than any other industrialized nation in the world, though paradoxically since 2000, their dollar amount has been the highest. (Only since 2004 have they move up from last place, by just one or two places.)
Since 1992, Japan had been the largest donor of aid, in terms of raw dollars. That was until 2001 when the United States reclaimed that position, a year that also saw Japan’s amount of aid drop by nearly 4 billion dollars (as tables and charts below will also show).

Do you see that recurring number -- .7% of GNI -- which is the same .7% of GNI referenced by Obama, Schlafley, Kincaid, and Coburn?

One of us is paying attention and reading for comprehension. The other sees no corelation whatsoever.

Yes, you do that.

I confuse you with facts? Sorry, but that is what happens when you have a closed mind and really, really old links to really, really old information. You really should update your database.

 

[paul_valaru]

If you're not for sending massive amounts of funding to Israel you must have a problem with Jews?

YES!!!!

buy Israel bonds

 

[2minkey]

horseshit.

any reasonable person should be opposed to the hardcore right wing in israel. lots of israelis are.

 

[paul_valaru]

horseshit.

any reasonable person should be opposed to the hardcore right wing in israel. lots of israelis are.

yes horseshit, it was a joke, while I support israel as much as I can, i think the right wing there is a very scary element. Both sides need to be moderate if they want peace.

 

[spike]

Nice job of pulling up information that is from November 1997 and December 2002 from non-governmental sources with an ax to grind.

Ax to grind? Oh don't start getting hypocritical on top of things here Jim. Did you actually think Kincaid , Coburn , and Schlafly don't have an axe to grind but the CSMonitor and Wshington Report do?

Here look at page 14. It will show you that Israel received the most aid in 2005 and in 1995. In fact I think you're going to be hard pressed to find many countries that have received more aid historically.

Which makes Israel a prime example of a country receiving large amounts of US aid. That was the point after all. Do you still somehow think it's a poor example of countries receiving US aid?

 

[spike]

Do you see that recurring number -- .7% of GNI -- which is the same .7% of GNI referenced by Obama, Schlafley, Kincaid, and Coburn?

One of us is paying attention and reading for comprehension. The other sees no corelation whatsoever.

Yes, use some reading comprehension. You'll find the bulk of the articles quite different from each other. Ah, but you think if there is the same number in each article then the articles are the same. That's not logical Jim.

I never disputed the .7% number. You would know this if you were comprehending what you were reading.

You seem to be blind to any facts though in your quest to justify your preconceived ideas.

 

[2minkey]

yes horseshit, it was a joke, while I support israel as much as I can, i think the right wing there is a very scary element. Both sides need to be moderate if they want peace.

hmmm you suckered me in like peel. i sure do deserve a little slapping.

but don't worry, i won't enjoy it too much.