The rulings have only begun

[rrfield]

Just the welfare scum.

You define "open mind".

My mother was on welfare for a bit in the mid-80's when the conservative hero Regan was president. She was a single mother with two kids, making doodely-squat working in a cheese factory in Wisconsin. I got these free immunizations. You just called me Scum. You just called my brother, who is serving your country currently in Germany and will soon be serving in Iraq, Scum. Worst of all, you just called my Mother Scum.

Fuck you.

Ban me, I don't care.

rrfield

 

[PT]

You are taking it a tad too far here Gonz, there are people that are on welfare becuase they HAVE to.

btw, you called my Mom scum too....

 

[freako104]

Sure we are, we just don't.

no some of us do

 

[Leslie]

You are taking it a tad too far here Gonz, there are people that are on welfare becuase they HAVE to.

btw, you called my Mom scum too....

though i'm not on it now...i have been temporarily in the past...so, me too.

 

[Thulsa Doom]

Cold? Yea, probably. I've been around people like that most of my life. I've seen the destruction. I've also seen them joke about the choices they make. Fuck 'em & all like 'em, They know what they're doing.

so does this mean we can put Rush Limbaugh out of his misery then? or does this only apply to "welfare scum"? yer right addiction is irrelevant. psychology is a crock. kill em all! put a bullet in their head and recycle the bullet. that makes sense. why waste money on them. in fact lets take this the next logical step. lets kill EVERYONE! think of the money we will save! no health care! no schools! the deficit will evaporate over night! yer on to something here!! but wait we have to think of an efficient and economical way to do that. thats a LOT of people to dispose of. hmm ive heard good things about gas chambers...

EDIT: oh by the way Polygamy should be legal in my opinion. but fathering 30 kids you cant support and screwing yer 13 year old cousin shouldnt be and isnt.

 

[freako104]

i do agree but it would have to be consentual on both parties(if noone is hurt its polygamy its cheating if someone is hurt).

 

[Gonz]

You define "open mind".

My mother was on welfare for a bit in the mid-80's when the conservative hero Regan was president. She was a single mother with two kids, making doodely-squat working in a cheese factory in Wisconsin. I got these free immunizations. You just called me Scum. You just called my brother, who is serving your country currently in Germany and will soon be serving in Iraq, Scum. Worst of all, you just called my Mother Scum.

Fuck you.

Ban me, I don't care.

rrfield

Did you, your mother &/or your brother decide that welfare was better than working? Or, did you decide that there are better ways & work to get out of that trap? Are you scum or are you able to lift yourself up by the bootstraps & do what is necessary to support you &/or your family?


My choice of words seems awfully provocative. Do you (any of you) have something to feel guilty about? If you aren't scum, then you aren't who I'm talking about.

 

[Gonz]

so does this mean we can put Rush Limbaugh out of his misery then?

Depends. As of right now I'm unsure of the whole story & I have reason to believe the tabloids are being tabloids. Once the truth is known, I'll decide. As of right now, he's just another weak individual that sought help instead of becoming a thief to support his habit.

Hell, I'm all for polygamy. If a man is willing to live in a house filled with PMS or pregnancy who am I to stop him.

The point you're all missing is, some of us believe certain things to be the truth. Marriage is between a man & a woman. Period. You took that away. You decided that my outlook was closed minded. You decided that it's no big deal. I decided to play along. You too are closed minded. You decide that my way isn't right. Now, the last laugh will happen when somebody finds you closed minded & fucks with your beliefs. So, a 45 yo man & a 13 yo girl is too much for you? Too bad, Somebody will call you closed minded & change the status quo against you.

 

[Thulsa Doom]

So, a 45 yo man & a 13 yo girl is too much for you? Too bad, Somebody will call you closed minded & change the status quo against you.

Are you saying we are going to roll BACK our statuatory rape laws? Doesnt this go against the trend of the past 5 or 6 decades to actually INCREASE the age of consent and wasnt this done at the behest of the same lefty welfare minded child advocate groups you rail against because there was rampant legal abuse going on involving children and adults? (and then only later championed by the right when the focus become teen sex and morality). I cannot imagine that happening in my life time. I think they are more likely to legalize marijuana first and thats a big fat chance at this point in time. the difference is that same sex couples marrying causes NOBODY any harm. why legislate against something that does not harm anyone? meanwhile raping your little sister DOES cause harm. the trend over the last 30-40 years has been toward PROTECTING the child not toward allowing them harm. weve raised our conciousness on that issue significantly in that time.

 

[Ms Ann Thrope]

Another relevant point regarding the age of consent is the ability to make an informed decision as to whether or not join in a union with another adult. Whether a man marries one woman, twenty women, or another man, the assumption is that these individuals are all adults and hopefully possess the ability to reason.

 

[freako104]

i thought you were against polygymy gonz? i think it shoudl be done with people who are ok wiht it and believe its allright

 

[Gonz]

I once assumed many of the same things. Now we have the National Association of Man/Boy Love (nambla) and certain accredited psych magazines saying that adult/child sex MAY not be harmful & they're considering downgrading pedophilia. Remember downgrading homosexuality? All we need is a step & the leap is right behind.

The matter was provoked by an article in the American Psychological
Association's Psychological Bulletin. Bruce Rind, Phillip Tromovitch
and Robert Bauserman conclude that the negative effects of child
sexual abuse have been overstated. ''The self-reported effects data do
not support the assumption of widescale psychological harm from (child
sexual abuse),'' they write.
In addressing sexual relations between adults and children, and
particularly men and boys, they introduce phrases such as ''a willing
encounter with positive reactions.'' They want psychologists to dump
judgmental terms like child abuse and molestation in favour of
value-free terms like ''adult-child sex.'' And they would prefer
people talk of ''level of sexual intimacy'' instead of ''severity of
abuse.''

Source

 

[Gonz]

I'm not against it in principle freak. It's illegal & there's nothing good from legalizing it, so let things be. Why would I give a shit how many spouses someone has? 1 is more than enough for me

 

[freako104]

i do hate to admityour point gonz but you are missing one: it is higly doubtful they would roll back the age of consent

 

[Gonz]

They don't have to. Parental pernission is the same as consent. There are some incredibly stupid parents out tehre.

 

[freako104]

I'm not against it in principle freak. It's illegal & there's nothing good from legalizing it, so let things be. Why would I give a shit how many spouses someone has? 1 is more than enough for me

well it is some people's lifestyles. lifestyles shouldnt be illegal unless they are hurting someone.(not including the s/m lifestyle as that calls for conestual adults) but paedophiles and the like yes should stay illegal.

 

[freako104]

They don't have to. Parental pernission is the same as consent. There are some incredibly stupid parents out tehre.

so if the parent of a 13 year old girl likes her 21 year old bf its the same as consent?

 

[Gonz]

so if the parent of a 13 year old girl likes her 21 year old bf its the same as consent?

A signature on line X & consent has been granted.

unless they are hurting someone

That can be & has been argued. You guys are the liberal faction. Aren't you supposed to protect peopel from themselves? You do it everyday. Look at guns laws.

 

[freako104]

im against gun control i have been

 

[rrfield]

Did you, your mother &/or your brother decide that welfare was better than working? Or, did you decide that there are better ways & work to get out of that trap? Are you scum or are you able to lift yourself up by the bootstraps & do what is necessary to support you &/or your family?


My choice of words seems awfully provocative. Do you (any of you) have something to feel guilty about? If you aren't scum, then you aren't who I'm talking about.

You need to think before you stereotype an enire group of people because they are going through hard times. Not everyone on welfare is leaching the government, and thus tax payers, because they WANT to.

Do you think being on welfare is glamorus? Do you think my Mom liked feeding her two sons Hamburger Helper (sans the hamburger) four nights a week? Oh, and just so you know, she WAS working, in a cheese factory as I stated before. (Most people on the dole work. Most are single mothers with an average of two kids.) The job did not pay her enough to feed her two children, get us the state-required immunizations, clothe us, pay rent, pay bills, gas for a Ford Escort that may or may not start on a January morning in Wisconsin.

My Mom now has 6 kids with one on the way, he was actually due on Sunday. Typical, right? Someone taking advantage of the welfare system by having kid after kid to get more money. Five more kids who get to eat ketchup sandwhiches just so she won't have to work?

Things aren't always as simple as you want them to be. People on welfare are not scum. I don't have anything to feel guilty about. Somehow I have a feeling that your cold heart and smug, hollier-than-thou attitude won't believe me.

rrfield