When you put something out for free ...

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
greed takes over and everyone wants to get their front feet into the trough.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93SBEUG0&show_article=1

Hawaii ending universal child health care

Oct 17 12:00 PM US/Eastern
By MARK NIESSE
Associated Press Writer

HONOLULU (AP) - Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the country just seven months after it launched.
Gov. Linda Lingle's administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.

"People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free," said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. "I don't believe that was the intent of the program."

State officials said Thursday they will stop giving health coverage to the 2,000 children enrolled by Nov. 1, but private partner Hawaii Medical Service Association will pay to extend their coverage through the end of the year without government support.

"We're very disappointed in the state's decision, and it came as a complete surprise to us," said Jennifer Diesman, a spokeswoman for HMSA, the state's largest health care provider. "We believe the program is working, and given Hawaii's economic uncertainty, we don't think now is the time to cut all funding for this kind of program."

Hawaii lawmakers approved the health plan in 2007 as a way to ensure every child can get basic medical help. The Keiki (child) Care program aimed to cover every child from birth to 18 years old who didn't already have health insurance—mostly immigrants and members of lower-income families.

It costs the state about $50,000 per month, or $25.50 per child—an amount that was more than matched by HMSA.

State health officials argued that most of the children enrolled in the universal child care program previously had private health insurance, indicating that it was helping those who didn't need it.

The Republican governor signed Keiki Care into law in 2007, but it and many other government services are facing cuts as the state deals with a projected $900 million general fund shortfall by 2011.

While it's difficult to determine how many children lack health coverage in the islands, estimates range from 3,500 to 16,000 in a state of about 1.3 million people. All were eligible for the program.

"Children are a lot more vulnerable in terms of needing care," said Democratic Sen. Suzanne Chun Oakland. "It's not very good to try to be a leader and then renege on that commitment."

The universal health care system was free except for copays of $7 per office visit.

Families with children currently enrolled in the universal system are being encouraged to seek more comprehensive Medicaid coverage, which may be available to children in a family of four earning up to $73,000 annually.

These children also could sign up for the HMSA Children's Plan, which costs about $55 a month.

"Most of them won't be eligible for Medicaid, and that's why they were enrolled in Keiki Care," Diesman said. "It's the gap group that we're trying to ensure has coverage."

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On the Net:

Hawaii Medical Service Association: http://www.hmsa.com/
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
 

2minkey

bootlicker
hmmmm.

bet lots of 'em got new, giant plasma screen TVs while they were milkin' it! bet the others will delay re-insuring their kids so as not to delay the purchase of giant plasma screen TVs.
 

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
hmmmm.

bet lots of 'em got new, giant plasma screen TVs while they were milkin' it! bet the others will delay re-insuring their kids so as not to delay the purchase of giant plasma screen TVs.

First...you'd better hope Ku'u or Na don't see this...second...why pay for something you can get for free? Its the American Way, right? :rolleyes: Seems to me that if you can't afford to have a child, you should invest heavily in birth control, abstinence, or porn and masturbation...
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
HI lasted 7 months with a population of 1.2 million.

How long will it take the federal government to collapse under three hundred million?
 

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
HI lasted 7 months with a population of 1.2 million.

How long will it take the federal government to collapse under three hundred million?

Forever. They will merely print more money, make new laws to try to unscrew their prior screwups, and deny that the program is a failure.

Remember, Socialists believe that socialism has never worked because the right people were not in charge. Nothing has changed in that thinking.

If there were only two people on the entire earth they could not make socialism work because one would always believe that the other was shirking their duty.
 

spike

New Member
Universal healthcare works better than our system in over 30 other countries.

There goes that theory.
 

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
Depends on whether you're talking geographic size, population size or duration of the program.

Largest population would be China and/or India..although both have issues with number of beds per capita needed vs. in-place.
Geographically, Canada
Duration - Germany (late 19th century)

Whether these systems 'work well' is subjective.
 

nalani

Well-Known Member
hmmmm.

bet lots of 'em got new, giant plasma screen TVs while they were milkin' it! bet the others will delay re-insuring their kids so as not to delay the purchase of giant plasma screen TVs.

Oooohhh .. you really need to broaden your perspective on people in general, dude. You think it's about buying shit you don't need? Are you seriously that closed off from the real world and reality? Or are you just that ignorant? You think it's about plasma tvs? On the contrary - it's about FEEDING your family and putting GAS in the car. I can't remember the last time we bought anything frivolous just because we wanted to.

In Hawai'i, EVERYTHING is expensive - including medical care. I pay $500 a month for my medical coverage and I still have to pay a portion of the charges of each visit (no, I don't have a straight $7 copay. I pay 10 - 20% of the charges depending on what is covered by my insurance). And believe it or not, I am one of the lucky ones. A portion of my insurance is paid for by my employer. Now, if I had the opportunity to have the state take care of my medical, I probably would do that. $500 a month is what I spend on groceries on an average month for the three of us. Recently I've had to cut that to $300. The only reason I didn't join up is because I saw the holes in the project - the fact that they didn't have stipulations for those who had access to insurance and the means to pay for it - and I saw that you cannot choose your own doctor and my doctor wasn't participating in the plan.

Now I'm not saying that everyone who dropped their insurance to get on board with this project are saints. I'm just saying instead of branding everyone as greedy money lovers who want to buy plasma tvs who shouldn't have had children in the first place, take a look a the economy in GENERAL and see what moves us as human beings to do these things.

For the record, Gato, at the time I had my children I could completely afford them - and I'm sure the same thing applies to millions of families in the US. That kind of comment pisses me off to no end. I didn't fuck up the economy. I didn't fuck up anything. I did everything the way I should have. Furthered my education, worked hard to make more money, didn't depend on the government to feed or house my children, raised my children RIGHT. If the time comes where I do need help because of decisions made for me by politicians, so what then? Should I have not had them in the first place, as you say? Are you gonna sit there and wag your finger further and say, "you should have just masturbated"?

It's sad how closed off some of your brains are ... and how skewed your perspectives on reality are ..
 

2minkey

bootlicker
Oooohhh .. you really need to broaden your perspective on people in general, dude. You think it's about buying shit you don't need? Are you seriously that closed off from the real world and reality? Or are you just that ignorant? You think it's about plasma tvs? On the contrary - it's about FEEDING your family and putting GAS in the car. I can't remember the last time we bought anything frivolous just because we wanted to.

In Hawai'i, EVERYTHING is expensive - including medical care. I pay $500 a month for my medical coverage and I still have to pay a portion of the charges of each visit (no, I don't have a straight $7 copay. I pay 10 - 20% of the charges depending on what is covered by my insurance). And believe it or not, I am one of the lucky ones. A portion of my insurance is paid for by my employer. Now, if I had the opportunity to have the state take care of my medical, I probably would do that. $500 a month is what I spend on groceries on an average month for the three of us. Recently I've had to cut that to $300. The only reason I didn't join up is because I saw the holes in the project - the fact that they didn't have stipulations for those who had access to insurance and the means to pay for it - and I saw that you cannot choose your own doctor and my doctor wasn't participating in the plan.

Now I'm not saying that everyone who dropped their insurance to get on board with this project are saints. I'm just saying instead of branding everyone as greedy money lovers who want to buy plasma tvs who shouldn't have had children in the first place, take a look a the economy in GENERAL and see what moves us as human beings to do these things.

yeah, life is hard. what kind of TV do you own?
 

Professur

Well-Known Member
Oooohhh .. you really need to broaden your perspective on people in general, dude. You think it's about buying shit you don't need? Are you seriously that closed off from the real world and reality? Or are you just that ignorant? You think it's about plasma tvs? On the contrary - it's about FEEDING your family and putting GAS in the car. I can't remember the last time we bought anything frivolous just because we wanted to.

In Hawai'i, EVERYTHING is expensive - including medical care. I pay $500 a month for my medical coverage and I still have to pay a portion of the charges of each visit (no, I don't have a straight $7 copay. I pay 10 - 20% of the charges depending on what is covered by my insurance). And believe it or not, I am one of the lucky ones. A portion of my insurance is paid for by my employer. Now, if I had the opportunity to have the state take care of my medical, I probably would do that. $500 a month is what I spend on groceries on an average month for the three of us. Recently I've had to cut that to $300. The only reason I didn't join up is because I saw the holes in the project - the fact that they didn't have stipulations for those who had access to insurance and the means to pay for it - and I saw that you cannot choose your own doctor and my doctor wasn't participating in the plan.

Now I'm not saying that everyone who dropped their insurance to get on board with this project are saints. I'm just saying instead of branding everyone as greedy money lovers who want to buy plasma tvs who shouldn't have had children in the first place, take a look a the economy in GENERAL and see what moves us as human beings to do these things.

For the record, Gato, at the time I had my children I could completely afford them - and I'm sure the same thing applies to millions of families in the US. That kind of comment pisses me off to no end. I didn't fuck up the economy. I didn't fuck up anything. I did everything the way I should have. Furthered my education, worked hard to make more money, didn't depend on the government to feed or house my children, raised my children RIGHT. If the time comes where I do need help because of decisions made for me by politicians, so what then? Should I have not had them in the first place, as you say? Are you gonna sit there and wag your finger further and say, "you should have just masturbated"?

It's sad how closed off some of your brains are ... and how skewed your perspectives on reality are ..


All we need is for JJR to come and say the wrong thing and it`ll be old home week again.


IMHO, I can totally see the point of people dropping their private insurance to get on this. After all, on or off, it`s their taxes that are paying for it. How many people here can honestly say they`ve never complained about the welfare bums driving better cars than they do? Anyone? Didn't think so. Well this one's for your kids' benefit. Damn right I'm gonna get on board. You've heard me rant about the subsidized daycare this place has. If I thought the care would be within 50% of the care the kids get at home, mine would be in there. Why not, I'm already paying for the freaking service, right?

Frankly, the gov't was plain old stupid if they didn't see this coming. I expect they did it this way so that now they can claim that they did do it and that it was the rich who screwed it up. It is an election year, after all.
 

nalani

Well-Known Member
yeah, life is hard. what kind of TV do you own?

Just to humor you, I have an 8 year old Sanyo. I'm not a welfare recipient unless that fact was lost on your single-celled brain. And just in case you didn't know, not all recipients are good-for-nothings. I seriously think you need to get out from behind the safety of your computer where you can attack random people with your opinions and judgments on a daily basis without having to face up to anyone and do some volunteer work in your community. Might teach you a little bit about humility and humanity.

Prof - I suspect you're right with the govt's intention on the program. I mean, in Hawai'i it's not really easy to get medical insurance. You either have to be below the poverty line to get subsidized insurance or be employed. If you're self-employed, you're pretty much screwed. The plan that I have right now and pay $500 a month for would cost a self-employed person almost three times as much. They're not in a group and it's not subsidized by an employer because you're it. You can get 'other' insurance but doctors here don't participate in those programs so you'll have to pay the charges then submit a claim to *hopefully* be reimbursed. The Kid Care program was supposed to help everyone - the goal was to have every child in Hawai'i covered by medical insurance. They planned for years and years and still missed some crucial loopholes ... that's sad - and careless. It would have been a great program.
 

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Oooohhh .. you really need to broaden your perspective on people in general, dude. You think it's about buying shit you don't need? Are you seriously that closed off from the real world and reality? Or are you just that ignorant? You think it's about plasma tvs? On the contrary - it's about FEEDING your family and putting GAS in the car. I can't remember the last time we bought anything frivolous just because we wanted to.

In Hawai'i, EVERYTHING is expensive - including medical care. I pay $500 a month for my medical coverage and I still have to pay a portion of the charges of each visit (no, I don't have a straight $7 copay. I pay 10 - 20% of the charges depending on what is covered by my insurance). And believe it or not, I am one of the lucky ones. A portion of my insurance is paid for by my employer. Now, if I had the opportunity to have the state take care of my medical, I probably would do that. $500 a month is what I spend on groceries on an average month for the three of us. Recently I've had to cut that to $300. The only reason I didn't join up is because I saw the holes in the project - the fact that they didn't have stipulations for those who had access to insurance and the means to pay for it - and I saw that you cannot choose your own doctor and my doctor wasn't participating in the plan.

Now I'm not saying that everyone who dropped their insurance to get on board with this project are saints. I'm just saying instead of branding everyone as greedy money lovers who want to buy plasma tvs who shouldn't have had children in the first place, take a look a the economy in GENERAL and see what moves us as human beings to do these things.

For the record, Gato, at the time I had my children I could completely afford them - and I'm sure the same thing applies to millions of families in the US. That kind of comment pisses me off to no end. I didn't fuck up the economy. I didn't fuck up anything. I did everything the way I should have. Furthered my education, worked hard to make more money, didn't depend on the government to feed or house my children, raised my children RIGHT. If the time comes where I do need help because of decisions made for me by politicians, so what then? Should I have not had them in the first place, as you say? Are you gonna sit there and wag your finger further and say, "you should have just masturbated"?

It's sad how closed off some of your brains are ... and how skewed your perspectives on reality are ..

For the record, Na, my comment was directed at minkey, not you. I have never tried to say that you didn't do the 'right' thing, and I apologize it thats the way it sounded.
 

nalani

Well-Known Member
Your apology is accepted Gato .. and I apologize to you as well. I should have known better and asked you to reclarify rather than jump off the handle and assume I knew what you meant.

Can we both beat up the minkey guy? :D
 

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Your apology is accepted Gato .. and I apologize to you as well. I should have known better and asked you to reclarify rather than jump off the handle and assume I knew what you meant.

Can we both beat up the minkey guy? :D

You know I don't approve of senseless violence...unless taped...
 

2minkey

bootlicker
Just to humor you, I have an 8 year old Sanyo. I'm not a welfare recipient unless that fact was lost on your single-celled brain. And just in case you didn't know, not all recipients are good-for-nothings. I seriously think you need to get out from behind the safety of your computer where you can attack random people with your opinions and judgments on a daily basis without having to face up to anyone and do some volunteer work in your community. Might teach you a little bit about humility and humanity.

:crying6:
 

Frodo

Member
State run health care is rationed health care. The Demonicrats know that they can not afford health care for everyone. But, protecting you is not the intent...owning you is the intent. It's amazing how cheap cancer treatment becomes when you force the patient to wait 12 months before starting treatments.
 
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