Am I nuts or is it just them?

AlphaTroll said:
Damn Eric - how out of control would a child have to be for a parent to throw him/her out on the street with nowhere to go? IMO that's criminal neglect because up to a certain age parents are legally responsible for their children and if they are incapable of taking care of the child(ren) they become wards of the state and cared for in a foster system or welfare. It is of course a totally different story if the child is of an age where you could reasonably expect them to be mature enough to earn their own living etc.

From what I've seen most children who end up on the street do so because the circumstances at home have become unbearable (they are abused in one way or another, alcoholic parents etc) and they end up running away. So yes, they are making a choice that will directly influence the rest of their lives, but the choice they make is as a result of someone else's deeds, which is beyond their control. In many cases children are abandoned on the streets because their parents simply do not have the means to take care of them - that child didn't CHOOSE to be abandoned, so while on the street they do what they can to get by, which in most cases involves resorting to measures such as petty crimes (and possibly worse as time goes by), drug & alcohol abuse (in a study done among the many street children in SA majority of them admitted to sniffing glue - it helps them forget their immediate circumstances, dimishes the pain; both emotionally & physically, and it stills the hunger pains) and often prostitution.

For these children there is hardly a hope of becoming well educated and possibly being employed and more often than not they end up in a cycle of abuse.

And yes, there are cases where children run away from home because they have drug dependancy problems, or they are spoiled & want to prove a point etc, but IMO the choices they make are rash & not carefully thought out, as the case usually is with teenagers (who, according to research make the most impulse decisions of any age category) so to them it is an immediate solution to a problem they are having, often with little regard or understanding of the consequences.
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drugs,stealing,violence towards the family would be a good reason. that would be out of control enough for me. withthe exception of the drugs bit I wouldnt have as much of a problem but the excessive stealing and violence wouldnt be tolerated
 
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freako104 said:
drugs,stealing,violence towards the family would be a good reason. that would be out of control enough for me. withthe exception of the drugs bit I wouldnt have as much of a problem but the excessive stealing and violence wouldnt be tolerated
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You'd throw your kid out for that? How 'bout getting him/her some help first?
 
if worse came to worse and I had no choice yes. i didnt sya i wouldnt go for help first. I havemade many posts saying to get help in the past. but I have known kids like that and trust me therapy didnt work for them. they would be better institutionilised.
 
Professur said:
You're very welcome.

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freako104 said:
if worse came to worse and I had no choice yes. i didnt sya i wouldnt go for help first. I havemade many posts saying to get help in the past. but I have known kids like that and trust me therapy didnt work for them. they would be better institutionilised.
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Well, institutionalising them I can understand, but not throwing them out on the street.

I was asking specifically because the post had come from you & you have always posted things to indicate that you are sensitive to such things, which is why I was surprised at the notion that you'd throw a child out. Didn't mean to insult you by any means.
 
Professur said:
You're very welcome.

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Perhaps I should just go now, as my attempts lately at some semblance of order seem to be futile.
 
AlphaTroll said:
Well, institutionalising them I can understand, but not throwing them out on the street.

I was asking specifically because the post had come from you & you have always posted things to indicate that you are sensitive to such things, which is why I was surprised at the notion that you'd throw a child out. Didn't mean to insult you by any means.
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I wasnt insulted but this is a case where generally I cant support the choices someone made as it has led them where they are. I would do what I could to help them but I have known too many in my life including close friends who I did feel bad for but there was a reason they are. I dont like the idea of throwing the child out but if it is for the best and if he/she stops the violence and stealing theyd be welcomed back. I back gonz in that these were choices. albeit poor ones.
 
The moment they know you're running away, is the moment they stop following you, and start chasing you.
 
Professur said:
The moment they know you're running away, is the moment they stop following you, and start chasing you.
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Very sage wisdome. :nod:



Bish - yeah, it sucks for this guy. And you're a good person for feeling for him.

However, I don't agree with feeling bad because "there's precious few sane homeless" people out there. Better there be none homeless than few sane ones.

I'm with Gonz.
 
Rose said:
Very sage wisdome. :nod:



Bish - yeah, it sucks for this guy. And you're a good person for feeling for him.

However, I don't agree with feeling bad because "there's precious few sane homeless" people out there. Better there be none homeless than few sane ones.

I'm with Gonz.
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Woohoo...OK. Now let's get them off the streets. Increased funding for hospitals, stronger focus on unemployment and retraining, more social housing, more shelters with mail-slots for recieving and sending mail, free job-huntiing centers associated with homeless shelters, free psychological clinics in those shelters and finally... bussing those who will not comply away to Arizona :)

Gonz as a socialist...I never thought that I'd see the day. I'm with Gonz!
 
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