Bin Laden Tape: Who Does It Hurt?

markjs

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Bin Laden: U.S. security depends on policy
New tape aired on Al-Jazeera
Friday, October 29, 2004 Posted: 4:46 PM EDT (2046 GMT)

(CNN) -- Osama bin Laden delivered a new videotaped message in which he told Americans their security does not depend on the president they elect, but on U.S. policy.

He also claimed responsibility for the attacks of September 11, 2001, which killed nearly 3,000 people.

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda," bin Laden said in the video aired on the Arabic language network Al-Jazeera.

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On the one hand I could see how it might hurt Kerry because Bush is presumed to be stronger against terror, but the more I think of it the more I think it hurt Bush most because it reminds us Bush has not won the war on terror.
 
I have to wonder why anything said by an avowed terrorist and anti-american would even be considered by the voting american public.
 
markjs said:
Umm....Maybe because....IT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST FREAKIN' ISSUES OF THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN!?!


Really? So you don't really care about how much tax you're gonna have to pay, or about your kids schools, or the condition of your roads? All that matters is the opinion of some cowering little snot nose hiding behind 13 year olds in a cave somewhere???

Thanks for the insight into the american psyche.
 
Professur said:
I have to wonder why anything said by an avowed terrorist and anti-american would even be considered by the voting american public.

I would say it does effect a small percentage of the population that are easily susceptible to fear and others that just aren't very smart. It's a plus for the Bush campaign but that's not why the media will waste so much time on it. They do it because it attracts viewers plain and simple. People, especially Americans, want to hear what their enemy has to say. It's personal but beyond that his words serve little purpose.
 
There are many reasons to consider carefully whom to vote for. Most of the reasosn are domestic. The fact still remains that the war on terror and preventing another 9-11 style attack is a major issue of this campaign. I personally have my own feeling about who should win the presidency but I do also believe that both men are capable in the area of fighting terrorism and that both are dedicated to homeland security issues.
 
markjs said:
There are many reasons to consider carefully whom to vote for. Most of the reasosn are domestic. The fact still remains that the war on terror and preventing another 9-11 style attack is a major issue of this campaign. I personally have my own feeling about who should win the presidency but I do also believe that both men are capable in the area of fighting terrorism and that both are dedicated to homeland security issues.

But which one will educate your children better? Or help out the farmers who've have to slaughter entire herds of cattle for fear of mad cow? Or provide better funding to rebuild levies in Florida? Last time I checked, it's generals that run wars, not presidents.
 
markjs said:
There are many reasons to consider carefully whom to vote for. Most of the reasosn are domestic.

That's also your opinion. Many of us consider international issues to be of equal if not of greater importance.
 
By the way I don't worry about terror attacks. I think that 9-11 was a wake up call but I also believe that we are well on top of domestic securty (perhaps too much so with the Patriot act). But I am concerned that we do everything in our power to capture or kill the terrorists responsible for 9-11 and other attacks.
 
markjs said:
Umm....Maybe because....IT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST FREAKIN' ISSUES OF THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN!?!


*clears throat*

BECAUSE YOU IDIOTS KEEP GETTING IN THE WAY!!!!


*carry on*
 
Professur said:
But which one will educate your children better? Or help out the farmers who've have to slaughter entire herds of cattle for fear of mad cow? Or provide better funding to rebuild levies in Florida? Last time I checked, it's generals that run wars, not presidents.

They don't seem to care, Prof. It's a non-issue, much like their jobless rate and their economy. If those were issues, Kerry would be winning by a land-slide. As is...it's ceremonial at best. They kinda bring it up in passing, just in case anyone's listening.
 
Our jobless rate is LESS than when Clinton was in office. There are more workers working than at any time in history. Our economy is very strong. The federal government has no business in education. What would the fed's do to help sick cows? Federal money is already in Florida.
 
The Canadian economy will grow by 3.1 per cent this year and 3.6 per cent next year

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The U.S. economy grew at a healthy 3.7 percent annual rate in the third quarter this year, bolstered by strong consumer spending and accompanied by the lowest inflation in decades, the Commerce Department (search) said on Friday.

The third-quarter expansion in gross domestic product (search) — the measure of total output within the nation's borders — came in below Wall Street economists' forecasts for a 4.2 percent pace of growth but still was up from 3.3 percent in the second quarter.

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Yeah, the economy's really in the toilet, only growing at an annualized 3.7% rate. How's yours doing, again, Bish? Oops.

Thanks for presuming to know my entire thought pattern going into this election, too. Cute.
 
markjs said:
. . . I think it hurt Bush most because it reminds us Bush has not won the war on terror.
I must have missed something somewhere. How does Kerry plan to "win the war on terror"?
 
Sharky, pay attention. He has a plan & will share it with us after he wins the election. It's all not spelled out on Kerry.com. It's right next to all his other missing agenda.
 
So what's Bush's plan anyway? Subcontract the work out to someone else? That's what he did when he had a chance to get Bin Laden. Bush doesn't want to be rid of Bin Laden just yet because he can still use people's fear to win the election. He says Kerry will do anything to win....So will Bush.
 
Stop it, my sides are hurtin' from laughing.

in teeny tiny words...war on terror, not war on bin laden.
 
BIN LADEN TRANSCRIPT
FRI OCT 29 2004 17:45:46 ET

Newsreader: A new message from Bin Laden to the American people about the reasons and resulats of the 9/11 attacks.

Newsreader 2: The head of AL Qaeda says the continuation of us policy will lead to the repetition of what happened.

Male presenter: The head of AL Qaeda organization directed a message to the American people and this video and audio apearence in this tape which Jezeera required for the first time for two years. In the beginning of his message, he spoke about the reasons why they chose the US to execute 9/11..

OBL: You American people, my speech to you is the best way to avoid another conflict about the war and its reasons and results. I am telling you security is an important pillar of human life. And free people don't let go of their security contrary to Bush's claims that we hate freedom. He should tell us why we didn't hit Sweden for instance. Its known that those who hate freedom don't have dignified souls.like the 19 who were blessed. But we fought you because we are free people, we don't sleep on our oppression. We want to regain the freedom of our Muslim nation as you spill our security, we spill your security.

Female presenter: Bin Laden spoke for the first time about the main reasons he thought of executing Sept 11 attacks, confirming that the Israeli operation in Lebanon was the first incident where he thought of it.

OBL: I am so surprised by you. Although we are in the fourth year after the events of sept 11, Bush is still practicing distortion and misleading on you, and obscuring the main reasons and therefore the reasons are still existing to repeat what happened before. I will tell you the reasons behind theses incidents.

I will be honest with you on the moment when the decision was taken to understand. We never thought of hitting the towers. But after we were so fed up, and we saw the oppression of the American Israeli coalition on our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind and the incidents that really touched me directly goes back to 1982 and the following incidents. When the US permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon with the assistance of the 6th fleet. In these hard moments, it occurred to me so many meanings I cant explain but it resulted in a general feeling of rejecting oppression and gave me a hard determination to punish the oppressors. While I was looking at the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it came to my mind to punish the oppressor the same way and destroy towers in the US to get a taste of what they tasted, and quit killing our children and women.

Male presenter: Bin Laden considered in his message that the results of Sept 11 were successful in his opinion and as a reason of that, he said that the similarity between the administration of Bush the father and the arab regimes said Bush learned so much from them during his visits.

OBL: We didn't find difficulty dealing with Bush and his administration due to the similarity of his regime and the regims in our countries. Whish half of them are ruled by military and the other half by sons of kings and presidents and our experience with them is long. Both parties are arrogant and stubborn and the greediness and taking money without right and that similarity appeared during the visits of Bush to the region while people from our side were impressed by the US and hoped that these visits would influence our countries. Here he is being influenced by these regimes, Royal and military. And was feeling jealous they were staying for decades in power stealing the nations finances without anybody overseeing them. So he transferred the oppression of freedom and tyranny to his son and they call it th e Patriot Law to fight terrorism. He was bright in putting his sons as governors in states and he didn't forget to transfer his experience from the rulers of our region to Florida to falsify elections to benefit from it in critical times.

Female Presenter: Bin Laden considered the way Bush dealt with the first moments of Sept. 11, giving a good chance to the executors of Sept. 11 to complete it.

OBL: We agreed with Mohamed Atta, god bless him, to execute the whole operation in 20 minutes. Before Bush and his administration would pay attention and we never thought that the high commander of the US armies would leave 50 thousand of his citizens in both towers to face the horrors by themselves when they most needed him because it seemed to distract his attention from listening to the girl telling him about her goat butting was more important than paying attention to airplanes butting the towers which gave us three times the time to execute the operation thank god.

Male presenter: the final part of the message is that the security of the Americans depends on the policy that they execute despite the winner of the elections.

OBL: Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security is in your hands. Each state that doenst mess with our security has automatically secured their security.

Female Presenter: In Bin Laden's message he approached other points. He pointed to the contradiction which considers oppression and killing of innocents a legal act. They formed an international law as bush the father did with the children of iraq according to bin laden. Bin Laden pointed to the millions of pounds of explosives dropped on Iraqi children as bush his son had done, as he said to remove an old agent and install a new agent to help instealing the oil of iraq. And bin laden said the events of 9/11 came as an answer to this oppression and said that if the answer to this oppression is considered bad terror, then we need to do it. And he stressed that he wants to deliver this message to the Americans in words and in deeds since the 9/11 events. He reminded Americans of a few warning messages through various news media like Time Magazine and CNN and other Arab and correspondents since 1996. He warned them of the conswquences of their countries policies. He talked abou t the damage Sept 11 caused the US economy and that it cost close to a trillion dollars. He talked about President Bush and that the emergency law requires more money.

END
 
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