Bin Laden Tape: Who Does It Hurt?

HomeLAN said:
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Yeah, the economy's really in the toilet, only growing at an annualized 3.7% rate. How's yours doing, again, Bish? Oops.

Thanks for presuming to know my entire thought pattern going into this election, too. Cute.
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Royal Bank also said inflation in Canada will remain "better contained" than in the United States. Consumer price inflation is expected to come in at 2.1 per cent this year and 2.6 per cent next year, while U.S. inflation will be 2.6 per cent for 2004 and 2.8 per cent in 2005. Same source as yours.

In the second quarter of 2004 real gross domestic product (GDP) grew a solid 4.3%, the most rapid pace in two years, following an increase of 3.0% in the first quarter.
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The Canadian economy created over 112,000 net new jobs in the first eight months of 2004.
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Real exports rose a very strong 21.6%. Exports to the United States and other major trading partners grew strongly, as did exports of all major goods categories. Exports of automotive products, machinery and equipment, and industrial goods, the three largest components, all advanced more than 25%. Exports of forest products, benefiting from the U.S. housing boom, jumped nearly 24%, the strongest gain in almost eight years.
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It's all in the numbers...ours is doing better, thanks :D

What I see is plenty of people talking about Iraq, war, and terrorism..and huge amounts of time being dedicated to it..while nobody's talking about the economy, or education, or health, or the weakening US$. It's a non-issue as far as I can see.
 
1) 2nd quarter. Try to stay current, please.
2) 1.7 million new jobs in the 12 months ending when your period does (couldn't find YTD figures). Source Yeah, we're bigger, but you didn't deal with hurricanes Charley and Frances in the final months.
3) We're booming enough to privide you boys a nice market. You can thank me later.

In fact, I don't think you are doing better, and I think your economy has had less stress to deal with.
 
Its amazing how biased people on both sides can rework numbers to make things look anyway they want. i notice none of those commentators up there said anything about the fact that this president had the LEAST number of jobs created since the Hoover administration. yikes... course this is where we hear about the fact that well presidents dont really have much direct control over job making anyway...which is mostly true

But anyway as to your question, I think it helps Bush more (moderately) because it will spook those idiots who dont pay attention to real political issues and have been conditioned to connect bush with fighting terrorism. so theyll see bin ladens face and circle the wagons as has been the pattern since september 11. for anyone who follows politics at all its a non issue.
 
HomeLAN said:
1) 2nd quarter. Try to stay current, please.
2) 1.7 million new jobs in the 12 months ending when your period does (couldn't find YTD figures). Source Yeah, we're bigger, but you didn't deal with hurricanes Charley and Frances in the final months.
3) We're booming enough to privide you boys a nice market. You can thank me later.

In fact, I don't think you are doing better, and I think your economy has had less stress to deal with.
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Recent indicators, including hours worked
and retail sales suggest the Canadian
economy grew in the third quarter, albeit at
a slower pace than in the second (4.3%).
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That's not the point. The point is that the economy is barely touched upon when it really should be a starting point for political discourse. How healthy is the country now? How healthy was it at the start of the current administration? How can it be improved? Those questions aren't being bantered about 'cept by you and I.

I'm thankful for the good ol' USA buying our goods and vice versa. Woohoo NAFTA! etc etc... but I doubt that you could say that your economy has been better than before Bush took office, despite what he may or may not have inherited.
 
The economy wasn't an issue because the economy isn't an issue.

Under Clinton the DOW was at/above 11000 for a short while. His, and the current fiscal policy maker, Allan Greenspan, said it was a bubble. We've been floating around 10k, a more realistic figure, for over a year.

Lowest job creation since Hoover? It's hard for a President to creat ejobs, as TD pointed out & how many jobs can an economy running at +/- 96% employment create? Remember all those dot commers? They began looking for real jobs in 1999. They found some. Bush had to deal with the most devastating attack in/on America in our history. I'd say we're pretty damned healthy.

Combined figures being released show a healthy & vibrant economy. Could it be better? Of course. Is it a big enough issue to base a campaign on? Hell no. Remember, "it's the economy stupid?". If it were we'd be talking economics.
 
Thulsa Doom said:
Its amazing how biased people on both sides can rework numbers to make things look anyway they want. i notice none of those commentators up there said anything about the fact that this president had the LEAST number of jobs created since the Hoover administration.
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You know in 1941 Joseph Poindexter allowed more deaths in Pearl Harbor than any other year in it's entire history. It was his fault wasn't it? After all he was the Territorial Governor.
You know whenever i hear someone make a statement like you just made their bias shines and i immediately shut them off. Anyone who comments on this subject without acknowledging the obvious fact that 9/11 had a devastating impact on our economy is either a: completely bias or b: has no comprehension whatsoever of just how the economy works.
 
HeXp£Øi± said:
You know in 1941 Joseph Poindexter allowed more deaths in Pearl Harbor than any other year in it's entire history. It was his fault wasn't it? After all he was the Territorial Governor.
You know whenever i hear someone make a statement like you just made their bias shines and i immediately shut them off. Anyone who comments on this subject without acknowledging the obvious fact that 9/11 had a devastating impact on our economy is either a: completely bias or b: has no comprehension whatsoever of just how the economy works.
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9/11 affected a whole lot of economies. You've had a few hurricanes too...which don't help either.

The source of the economic problems isn't as much of an issue as what's being done about it. 9/11 happened in 2001..one year into Bush's presidency. There's been some growth, but not as much as you'd expect especially in a 'war economy'.
 
Talk to any governmental financial leaders from around the globe and you will find they have one question about the united states of America. How does the USA do it?

9/11
corporate scandels and collapses of unprecidented scope
devastating weather phenomina
Supporting a high tech war with virtually no international support

They ask this time and time again. Any other nation on the face of the earth would have fallen into a catastrophic depression under these circumstances. And through all this the united states economy is for all intents and purposes thriving. Sure we're not at our peek but we're nowhere near where we were during Hoovers administration which is why it's ridiculous to compare the two. American democrats may be bitching about Americas economy but i promise you that Europeans, Indians and Asians aren't. The rest of the world still envies the US economy and they should. It's amazing to me how such a non-issue can be exaggerated. As if we were undergoing some economic crisis of epic proportions.
 
Gonz said:
Sharky, pay attention. He has a plan & will share it with us after he wins the election. It's all not spelled out on Kerry.com. It's right next to all his other missing agenda.
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Yeah, I looked there but apparently they forgot to discuss issues. They did include links to "Today's George W. Bush Entertainment", though.

Well, ya know, Daddy always said, "Son, never buy a pig in a poke."
 
Then you'll be voting for Kerry. I saw an analyst on Faux News Channel say that it was a clear attempt by Al Quaeda to tip the scales twords Bush because it would be easier for them to recruit terrorists against Bush than Kerry.

But I know you'll vote for the shrub because you fear taxes and regulations.
 
Taxes pay for services we all use, and regulations protect us from the unscupulous. No I don't fear taxes and regulations if they are well planned ones.

The average right winger is just afraid he'll have to pay his fair share.
 
*doh*

Is that what it is? Here I was, thinking I hated the intrusion into my private life & affairs by a group of people who believe they know what is best for me & mine better than I & have decided to use the law to subjugate & oppress me. Should I decide not to play along with the burdens heaped upon , such as telling me I can't burn wood, outside, on my property, without facing civil penalties or telling me that if I don't cut my grass at intervals they believe is proper, not only will they trespass on my private property, they will charge exuberant prices to do so.

Of course, those taxes are fair & equitable too. Let's look at property taxes. Spend your hard earned money (which has been looted to pay social security taxes which I never asked for & federal payroll taxes which I never asked for & state payroll taxes which I never asked for & state medicare taxes which I never asked for & local COIT...county optional income tax...which I never asked for) to purchase or build a home to shelter your family. Should you, by mistake or intentionally, fail to pay an arbitrary amount of money to the government, set by the government for the governments use, the governemtn can enter your home & physically remove you from it & sell it to another who will be coerced into paying an arbitrary amount of money to the government, set by the government for the governments use. This charade has no end. They can & usually do increase arbitrary amount of money paid to the government at interals of their liking.

In 41 years I have not received one dime worth of services for these tax dollars.

I pay pay an arbitrary amount of money to the government, set by the government for the governments use, in fuel taxes & when I am taxed to own & operate my motor vehicle.

I pay an arbitrary amount of money to the government, set by the government for the governments use, to use the sewers, storm drains & trash removal services. My storm drains routinely back up.

I suppose I get some use...my wife & son routinely use the public library...which they are remodeling at a cost of several million dollars & asking the *surprise* tax payers to foot the bill. However, my child does not attend public school.

I'd like to continue but I fear I've gotten bored.

Taxes suck. Regualtions hurt.
 
So let's eliminate police and fire departments. Let's illiminate public libraries....Hell let's just go old west and strap on a gun and let that be the law.....Let's see how far that society would really go. Let's eliminate road maintenence (that would be great for rich republicans with 4wd SUVs). Fuck it all....Just have an army to patrol the border and fight off intruders. Oh and also lets eliminate schools and hopefully there will develop an uneducated mass of cheap slave labor so rich folks won't have to get their hands dirty. Eliminate all business regulations so anyone of a mind can call himself a medical doctor. I could go on but I am getting bored.....Suffice to say if you want to take away all of the structure of society and install a system of total personal responsibility crime would reign supreme and revolution would be the order of the day.

I bet one day you or someone you know is going to need a fire department to come to your rescue.....Someone you know is going to need unemployment insurance.....Something of the like.....Then you might have a clue why we pay taxes.
 
But heres the deal Mark.

My wife and I pay together but this lets pretend we are seperate tax payers.

The taxes I would have to pay are just about equal to what my wife gets to keep after taxes.

I would have to pay ~4x what my wife does. And she pays more taxes then you do. So how is it "my fair share" is so large compared to yours? We use the just about the same resources (I have my own health insurance, I also pay property taxes and increased tax on my SUV's, and have to purchase permits and licenses for projects)

Why do I pay waaay more as being "my fair share".

shouldn't we pay the same? that would be fair don't you think?
 
ResearchMonkey said:
But heres the deal Mark.

My wife and I pay together but this lets pretend we are seperate tax payers.

The taxes I would have to pay are just about equal to what my wife gets to keep after taxes.

I would have to pay ~4x what my wife does. And she pays more taxes then you do. So how is it "my fair share" is so large compared to yours? We use the just about the same resources (I have my own health insurance, I also pay property taxes and increased tax on my SUV's, and have to purchase permits and licenses for projects)

Why do I pay waaay more as being "my fair share".

shouldn't we pay the same? that would be fair don't you think?
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Ok no, you are complaining about the fact your taxes are to high on your multiple SUV's and property?

Maybe you should consider a trade in for something with better gas mileage and make up the difference in fuel economy alone!

As far as progressive taxes are concerned they are generally equaled out by regressive taxes, or at least they are where I live anyway (monsterous sales tax which is likely to increase again to like .08-.09 on the dollar).
 
ekahs retsam said:
Maybe you should consider a trade in for something with better gas mileage and make up the difference in fuel economy alone!
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So, in order to pay fewer taxes, the economy should suffer? Instead of putting $300,000. towards land & another $300,000. into jobs for a new contruction project that'll go into the economy, and putting $45,000. in a vehicle purchase, in order to pay fewer taxes someone ought to buy the $59,000. house & the $8,000. car? Good plan.

Most fire departments are still volunteer Mark.
Road maintenance is already covered by fuel taxes & fee's in the registration process.
Eliminate public schools? I'm all for it. They are useless as they are now. Training grounds for ineffectual peons.
 
Gonz said:
So, in order to pay fewer taxes, the economy should suffer? Instead of putting $300,000. towards land & another $300,000. into jobs for a new contruction project that'll go into the economy, and putting $45,000. in a vehicle purchase, in order to pay fewer taxes someone ought to buy the $59,000. house & the $8,000. car? Good plan.

Most fire departments are still volunteer Mark.
Road maintenance is already covered by fuel taxes & fee's in the registration process.
Eliminate public schools? I'm all for it. They are useless as they are now. Training grounds for ineffectual peons.
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No he can pay however much in taxes are required to cover his spending habits. People can purchase whatever they want on what they want; just not complain about how it is unfair it is THEY have to disproportionately spend more on taxes when it is unfounded.
 
C'mon Gonz, if you pay the same taxes then you should also have the same income and since you have the same income you should also work as hard as everyone else.

Welcome to socialism ;)
 
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