Bye Bye Bush???
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Not sure what you are speculating about a "white flag"... we were not at war before Bush. And I don't think we would have gone to war under Gore. At least I don't feel that the US would have acted without the rest of the world (i.e., the UN). We are, after all, living in a global community.Gonz said:
The US is not the world's police. The US should not be acting on its own anylonger. Were we not members of the UN when the US attacked Iraq?
valkyrie said:
You see the problem with Al yet refuse to recognize it. This is not a police action. We are at war because we were attacked. Al Gore would have surrendered all American sovereignty. The terrorists would have won.
With Bush, we're going after the enemy - it's turning out Iraq is a central figure in the war on terror in far more ways than anticipated.
The global community has failed to act in almost every single instance of tyranny or massive human right violations in it's history. During a war, the UN couldn't even help out Monrovia. The US had to do it. The UN is the League of Nations with a nicer building. The US has to act in its own self interest.
*thinks* I'm sorry... I can't remember when Iraq attacked us. Could you give me the date and place, please.Gonz said:
Ah... so, attacking Iraq was in America's self (oil) interest, thanks.Gonz said:
Why does the US have to act on all the "human rights violations" around the world, alone? Isn't that being the world's police? That was my point before. And I'll tell you, being the world's police has a heavy price tag on a nation.
As for this "white flag" issue you are referring to... there was a terrorist attack a few years ago. Many other nations have been attacked by terrorists. I don't see that this would indicate that any president of the United States of America would have any reason to surrender the nation to a bunch of rag-tag extremists. I think you just want to believe that this is what would happen if Bush had not become president. Sorry to say this, Gonz, and I don't mean offense to you... but that sort of thinking is a bit sectarian and distorted.
I trust CNN.com, here are the results posted at their website.Inkara1 said:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/president/
Gore 50,996,116
Bush 50,456,169
My argument is not flawed, nor does it lose steam. The number of American citizens who wanted Gore as their president was greater than the number of American citizens who wanted Bush. Those are the facts.
eh?
valkyrie said:*thinks* I'm sorry... I can't remember when Iraq attacked us. Could you give me the date and place, please.
Start here & work your way backwards in this forum. There have been plenty of explanations as to when & why.
valkyrie said:
Nice try...the oil part is old & holds no water..even the DNC recognizes that.
valkyrie said:
That's the UN's job. They fail.
valkyrie said:As for this "white flag" issue you are referring to... there was a terrorist attack a few years ago. Many other nations have been attacked by terrorists. I don't see that this would indicate that any president of the United States of America would have any reason to surrender the nation to a bunch of rag-tag extremists. I think you just want to believe that this is what would happen if Bush had not become president. Sorry to say this, Gonz, and I don't mean offense to you... but that sort of thinking is a bit sectarian and distorted.
We had an Islamic terrorist attack the US, via the World Trade Center, in 1993. Al was VP. He said & did nothing. His boss said little & did less. How about the many times our embassies were attacked - nothing was done. It's from an historical perspective in which I make my assumption on the white flag. With the same historical references I make my judgements. They have not shown otherwise. The entire (D) party has lost it's compass for right & wrong & too many of its followers have joined it in wandering aimlessly in pursuit of reasons to hate & bash America.
Sectarian & distorted? Yea, I suppose. That is because I've seen what the world does to end problems It whines & bitches & moans & wrings its hands & does nothing. It gets mouthy when we do something. There were people that said "America deserved what it got". So be it. If that is the case then America needs to stand & fight for & by herself. This is in no way intended to ignore nor discount the help of the 40 some odd members of the coalition of the willing which is, by the way, larger than the participatory nations during the Gulf War.
The UN went from a purposeful assembly of nations intended to end tyranny & injustice to a money pit for the US. If you & peopel like you wish to complain about the bad things in this world, start with Koffe Annan & his French, German & Russian counterparts that took over a billion dollars of food and medicine, by way of oil, from the mouths of Iraqi babies. That was above & beyond the on the table oil for food.
Lead, follow or get out of the way. We chose to lead.
CNN is a trusted news source. Even my misguided Republican friends claim it to be.Leslie said:trust CNN...that's the funniest thing I've read in here in awhile
but I'll let Gonz take that one - he has a bit to say about CNN
Who do you suggest I trust? Some drug addicted, right-wing, propoganda slinging radio talk show host?
I'm leavin' it for Gonz.
and your friends are more misguided than you think if that's what they're claiming.
aaaaaaaaaaaand right wing propaganda is the last place I'd be sending anyone as the leftist commie leaning treehugging gunhating peaceloving Canadian
that I am.
and your friends are more misguided than you think if that's what they're claiming.
aaaaaaaaaaaand right wing propaganda is the last place I'd be sending anyone as the leftist commie leaning treehugging gunhating peaceloving Canadian
that I am.