Bye Bye Bush???
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BeardofPants
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Only in yer head Gonz.Gonz said:If I'm wrong why are so many of the things I've said proving correct?
I stand corrected, I am not "right".Gonz said:I'm sorry to inform you that, in this instance, you are neither right nor correct
However, I am correct, according to our lovely government data.
Al Gore won the popular vote in the last presidential election. There's no gettin' around it, sweety. Ah... we could go on like this for weeks. However, I have adult ADHD... and my attention is currently focused on some other trivial event... later.
Inkara1
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This was your point. Your point was not, "Gore got this many votes and Bush got that many." The numbers you posted were in support of the main point I quoted above. It's funny how your supporting evidence suddenly changed into your "point" when I called into question the validity of your original point.valkyrie said:
chcr
Too cute for words
Just because I can't anymore:
1. I laugh out loud everytime someone refers to the "commies." It's the twenty-first century. Come, join us.
2. Niether Bush nor Gore received a majority of the popular vote in the last pesidential election. I will be very surprised if the same thing does not occur again. Why do so few understand that this is a clear indication that we are not satisfied with our choices? The low percentage of turn out is another. The difference in democrats and republicans is marketing and who is elected makes no difference to the average citizen. The average citizen, not being an idiot, understands this, thus low voter turn out (why should they waste their time). The electoral college serves an important purpose, as Gonz pointed out. This does not in any way make it a perfect system, but I can't see a better solution. I won't rehearse again the abuse of it by the current administration.
3. Regardless of who had been elected before 9/11, if 9/11 had still occured (pretty likely but not certain in my view), America woudl have attacked Afghanistan. There is a difference between a terrorist act and an act of war, and the democrats understand it too, regardless of what Gonz thinks.
4. Let me just say it again, Islam is not the enemy.
1. I laugh out loud everytime someone refers to the "commies." It's the twenty-first century. Come, join us.
2. Niether Bush nor Gore received a majority of the popular vote in the last pesidential election. I will be very surprised if the same thing does not occur again. Why do so few understand that this is a clear indication that we are not satisfied with our choices? The low percentage of turn out is another. The difference in democrats and republicans is marketing and who is elected makes no difference to the average citizen. The average citizen, not being an idiot, understands this, thus low voter turn out (why should they waste their time). The electoral college serves an important purpose, as Gonz pointed out. This does not in any way make it a perfect system, but I can't see a better solution. I won't rehearse again the abuse of it by the current administration.
3. Regardless of who had been elected before 9/11, if 9/11 had still occured (pretty likely but not certain in my view), America woudl have attacked Afghanistan. There is a difference between a terrorist act and an act of war, and the democrats understand it too, regardless of what Gonz thinks.
4. Let me just say it again, Islam is not the enemy.
catocom
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Gonz said:
1) agree with Gonz
2) agree with Gonz
3) terrorism targets civilians, women, children elderly... -
War is targeted at the military, terrorist, and others who fight against the military.
(e.g. IMO someone drives a car bomb next to a hotel - terrorism)
(e.g. someone plants a bomb next to the road to specifically blowup a military convoy - war)
4) Radical (any religion) & their followers are. (so it seems)
wtf? I originally posted that I was excited about my new buttons and my new T-shirt, that's it. You said "Your argument loses a lot of steam when you realize that Gore didn't get the majority of the votes either." (I assumed that means that the numbers on my T-shirt were incorrect.) Gonz said my shirt was incorrect... I showed evidence to both of you (from numberous sites, including the federal government of the US) to support the numbers on my T-shirt... the numbers (as I've already said) are popular votes for each of the two candidates.Inkara1 said:
Therefore, a greater number of American voting citizens desired Gore as president over Bush. I'm not sure how else to interpret those numbers, and I was damn good in statistics. You have one number greater than another... that's pretty plain and simple in my book.
The point was... the T-shirt numbers are correct, which was proven. So, wtf are you talking about?
If this has grown into some other tangent debate... well that's one thing... but I don't understand what you're saying.In response to chcr...
1. I get the giggles, too, over the misuse of "commie". And a little fascist, redneck voice pops up in my head, when I read that word, that says, "Better dead than red."
2. Well, the percentage of voting citizens was very close. Depending upon how many significant digits you use, you have Gore receiving 48.38% of the popular vote, and Bush receiving 47.87%. (You can probably tell, I voted with the majority of Americans.)
Unfortunately, I see (and agree) with your point about the average citizen abstaining from voting. The difference between democrats and republicans is very slight (in most cases) until you get into the "Christian majority" (a completely unAmerican political group, imo). I said this to a friend last night: the difference between republicans and democrats is... republicans want less government in business and more government in your home, and democrats want more government in business and less government in your home.
3. Agreed, again.
4. "Let me just say it again, Islam is not the enemy." -you are completely correct.
1. I get the giggles, too, over the misuse of "commie". And a little fascist, redneck voice pops up in my head, when I read that word, that says, "Better dead than red."
2. Well, the percentage of voting citizens was very close. Depending upon how many significant digits you use, you have Gore receiving 48.38% of the popular vote, and Bush receiving 47.87%. (You can probably tell, I voted with the majority of Americans.)
Unfortunately, I see (and agree) with your point about the average citizen abstaining from voting. The difference between democrats and republicans is very slight (in most cases) until you get into the "Christian majority" (a completely unAmerican political group, imo). I said this to a friend last night: the difference between republicans and democrats is... republicans want less government in business and more government in your home, and democrats want more government in business and less government in your home.
3. Agreed, again.
4. "Let me just say it again, Islam is not the enemy." -you are completely correct.
chcr
Too cute for words
1. History and economics, Gonz. Socialism is quite different (although no more workable, IMO) from communism. Socialism can exist in any society, communism requires a totalitarian one for starters.Gonz said:
2. Agree with Gonz.
3. So, when Americans blew up the federal office building in Oklahoma city, we should have declared war on ourselves? Sorry that you can't see there's a difference, but there is.
4. Agree with catocom.
the new troublemaker said:
The original disagreement centered around:
Which is incorrect. Using the duly established & accepted electoral college system, as instructed by the United States Constitution, we did fully & legally elect Georrge Walker Bush to be our President. If this was a problem, why hadn't anyone spoken up before? I often wondered what would happen if we had the exact scenario we had. Now I know. I could be displeaased with it but it is an incredibly fair & just way to elect officials & kudo's to the man who thought of it.
her again said:
Plurality. There hasn't been a majority winner since Ronald Reagan.
chcr said:
1)On paper, they are or look different. In practice, they both subscribe to the theory that one man's money belongs to the group & has to be shared. Thus, in the end there is no difference.
3)When Timmy & friends went to OK City we didn't declare war because we had a (D) in office. See, that's what I've been saying.
An act of terrorism is an act of war. Of course we won't declare war on our own country but the traitors will be swiftly caught & punished...which is, in essence, what war is. Anybody that doesn't want war will not allow or participate in an act of terror, no matter where it takes place.
The Other One
Banned
Could you imagine: "President Gore"?
He's a lunatic. He's Al (Queda) Gore.
He's gone off the deep end with this recent diatribe at NY University 5-26-04:
Blah, blah, blah, blah. You tell them you anti-American, low life, vacuous, seditious loser. See if you can run your country into the ground, degrade us a little more and encourage them.
So the terrorists hate us, they want to kill us, because the Bush administration has enflamed them?
With a public verbal barrage like that on your President, you do absolutely nothing to help your country in this time of war. In fact, you add fuel to the terrorists' fire. You encourage Al Queda, who thinks in this atmosphere to murder some more American citizens would be easy. (Praise be to Allah, if a former VP speaks out against Bush and encourages others to do the same--in a country so divided how could we NOT succeed?)
Al (Queda) Gore further rants on by demanding the resignations of Rumsfeld, Rice, and Wolfowitz. Then the people must complete his maniacal vision by installing Kerry as president.
War was declared on the United States. We are fighting for our survival. Would having one of these Liberal losers take over the US in one of the most dangerous times in our history be good for this country?
He's a lunatic. He's Al (Queda) Gore.
He's gone off the deep end with this recent diatribe at NY University 5-26-04:
Blah, blah, blah, blah. You tell them you anti-American, low life, vacuous, seditious loser. See if you can run your country into the ground, degrade us a little more and encourage them.
So the terrorists hate us, they want to kill us, because the Bush administration has enflamed them?
With a public verbal barrage like that on your President, you do absolutely nothing to help your country in this time of war. In fact, you add fuel to the terrorists' fire. You encourage Al Queda, who thinks in this atmosphere to murder some more American citizens would be easy. (Praise be to Allah, if a former VP speaks out against Bush and encourages others to do the same--in a country so divided how could we NOT succeed?)
Al (Queda) Gore further rants on by demanding the resignations of Rumsfeld, Rice, and Wolfowitz. Then the people must complete his maniacal vision by installing Kerry as president.
War was declared on the United States. We are fighting for our survival. Would having one of these Liberal losers take over the US in one of the most dangerous times in our history be good for this country?
Inkara1
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Statistics, maybe, but what about reading comprehension?valkyrie said:wtf? I originally posted that I was excited about my new buttons and my new T-shirt, that's it. You said "Your argument loses a lot of steam when you realize that Gore didn't get the majority of the votes either." (I assumed that means that the numbers on my T-shirt were incorrect.) Gonz said my shirt was incorrect... I showed evidence to both of you (from numberous sites, including the federal government of the US) to support the numbers on my T-shirt... the numbers (as I've already said) are popular votes for each of the two candidates.
Therefore, a greater number of American voting citizens desired Gore as president over Bush. I'm not sure how else to interpret those numbers, and I was damn good in statistics. You have one number greater than another... that's pretty plain and simple in my book.
The point was... the T-shirt numbers are correct, which was proven. So, wtf are you talking about?
You're trying to dance around any real substance again; your point has changed from "the majority didn't want Bush" to "more wanted Gore than Bush," and now to "I was just happy about my T-shirts." You posted your shirts. Gonz pointed out that the Electoral College (which was provided for in Article 2, section 1 of the United States Constitution and modified in the 12th Amendment) produced Bush as the winner. You then told Gonz that the Electoral College be damned, the majority of Americans didn't want Bush in office. I pointed out that the majority of Americans didn't want Gore in office either, because neither candidate got 50 percent of the vote. I thought it was pretty clear what I meant. But you somehow twisted it into meaning that your shirt numbers were incorrect.
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