CBO: Eight Years of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act

[Gonz]

You can not force freedom on people.

That's right. They have it now, what will they do with it? As for the bombers, etc... their security forces are taking over, so yea. Do they have the contmpt that we have for the terrorists? That I'm not so sure about.

 

[MrBishop]

You can not force freedom on people. They have to want it as bad as we wanted it when we broke from England. They have to want it as bad as France wanted it when they destroyed their monarchy. They have to want it as bad as India wanted it when they pushed Great Brittan to give them their independence.

Quite frankly, I don't think they ever cared enough about their freedom. Do you see them fighting the people that bomb their markets and voting places?

India didn't have to fight for their independence..Britain couldn't afford to keep India any more, so they gave India it's independence.

You're right though...you can't be given freedom.

 

[jimpeel]

Bush's approval rating was pretty freakin' low when he left office. So low that Republicans did not want him to endorse them in the elections. Bush left office in 2009 with a 22% rating. He was "one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history."

Hell, Democrats won't even meet Obama at the airport as he deplanes. The only politician to greet him when he flew into Texas was a republican, Governor Perry.

 

[spike]

Obama, 42% in 19 months.

Interesting. Reagan's was 42% in 19 months. August 1982.

You know what that means?

Precedented.

What's it like to be wrong so many times on the exact same subject?

Now does this mean that Reagan was an awful president? Discuss.

 

[spike]

Hell, Democrats won't even meet Obama at the airport as he deplanes. The only politician to greet him when he flew into Texas was a republican, Governor Perry.

You have to be seriously desperate for straws at this point. What the fuck?

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Your WaPo chattle-feed chart indicates Reagan was 42% at TWO years.
....also, ronnie raygun got re-elected, your guy ain't gonna be.


Spreaking of the WaPo....

MILWAUKEE - Democrats in Congress are no longer asking themselves whether this is going to be a bad election year for them and their party. They are asking whether it is going to be a disaster.

The answer will probably be found in states such as Wisconsin, one of a growing number of spots on the map where Democrats accustomed to winning reelection with ease - including Sen. Russell Feingold - are unexpectedly in trouble.

The GOP pushed deep into Democratic-held territory over the summer, to the point where the party is well within range of picking up the 39 seats it would need to take control of the House. Overall, as many as 80 House seats could be at risk, and fewer than a dozen of these are held by Republicans.

Political handicappers now say it is conceivable that the Republicans could also win the 10 seats they need to take back the Senate. Not since 1930 has the House changed hands without the Senate following suit.
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Dumbfuckistan is shrinking, ....depending on what your meaning of the word is is.

 

[Cerise]

So far, so low:

 

[jimpeel]

You have to be seriously desperate for straws at this point. What the fuck?

The desperate ones are the Democrats. They are avoiding Obama like the plague. They want nothing to do with him. They do not want his endorsement.

 

[spike]

Your WaPo chattle-feed chart indicates Reagan was 42% at TWO years.

Geez, you never learn. Page 6.

http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/stuff_for_blog/perspective.pdf

Now, since you're so focused on this we have to assume you thought this meant Reagan was an awful pres right?

Here's unprecedented...

"Mr. Bush's final approval rating is the lowest final rating for an outgoing president since Gallup began asking about presidential approval more than 70 years ago. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtml

....also, ronnie raygun got re-elected, your guy ain't gonna be.

Sure, he will.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

So your saying Reagan fell from a 50% rating to 42% compared to obama's 70% fall to 42% during the same 19 month period.

Yeah, the emasculated one's fall from grace is considerably larger than that of Ronaldus Magnus.

Unprecedented.

 

[Cerise]

Like a Rock!!

 

[spike]

They are avoiding Obama like the plague. They want nothing to do with him. They do not want his endorsement.

Actually, it depends on the race. People are more likely to avoid a candidate endorsed by Palin though. I guess that means they avoid her like a bigger plaque?

http://newsblaze.com/story/2010090903360200001.pnw/topstory.html

 

[spike]

So your saying Reagan fell from a 50% rating to 42% compared to obama's 70% fall to 42% during the same 19 month period.

If you check the graph above you can see that Reagan fell from about the same high.

You seem to have some serious comprehensions problems with this one. Really making a concerted effort to avoid the facts and supplant your wishful thinking.

I guess your saying Reagan was a bad pres.

 

[jimpeel]

Actually, it depends on the race. People are more likely to avoid a candidate endorsed by Palin though. I guess that means they avoid her like a bigger plaque?

http://newsblaze.com/story/2010090903360200001.pnw/topstory.html

SOURCE

Fewer Democratic Candidates Seek Obama's Help

Posted: September 8, 2010

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — President Barack Obama doesn't go there anymore.

The days of Obama traipsing around the country to states like Montana, Indiana or Arkansas in freewheeling campaign mode — and with sky-high popularity lifting Democratic candidates — are long over. With his approval rating sliding, the president in the next few weeks is primarily sticking to big cities — Milwaukee, Cleveland and Philadelphia — and other party strongholds, like Connecticut, where he can help fellow Democrats in the midterm election homestretch.

Who's campaigning for Democratic candidates in Arkansas on Wednesday? Former President Bill Clinton, ex-governor of the state.

"Judging from the polls I've seen on approval ratings, President Obama couldn't help many people in Arkansas," Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe told reporters Tuesday. "That's about as candid as I know how to be."

"Clinton can still help some, but most people rise or fall on their own," Beebe said. "There's probably something to that old adage about coattails, but not much."

Arkansas has voted Republican in the past three presidential elections, but Democrats control the governor's office, the state Legislature, three of four House seats and both Senate seats.

Obama hasn't been in the state since 2006, when he helped Beebe win the governorship. Obama lost Arkansas' 2008 Democratic primary to hometown favorite Hillary Rodham Clinton and lost Arkansas' six electoral votes that fall to Republican John McCain.

Two months before Election Day, public and private polls show Democratic Sen. Blanche Lincoln badly trailing her GOP opponent, Rep. John Boozman, even though she's stressed her independence from party orthodoxy. House Democratic candidates Joyce Elliott and Chad Causey also are struggling to keep in Democratic hands two seats left open by retirements.

Republicans are heavily favored to win big this year, and Lincoln is arguably the most endangered of Democratic Senate incumbents.

But it was Clinton who parachuted in to help his old friend during the runoff that she narrowly won this spring. And it's Clinton who is seeking what some Democrats privately call a rescue attempt in her uphill battle against Boozman. Clinton, like Vice President Joe Biden, has campaigned in places where Obama hasn't.

Obama's absence here this year underscores just how much time has changed since he was a freshman senator flooded with requests by candidates in 2006 and when he was the Democratic presidential nominee with exceptionally strong standing in 2008.

Now he's the president — and a polarizing one at that.

He has spent his first 19 months in office pushing policies such as health care overhaul that divided the country and drove down his standing in opinion polls. The latest Associated Press-GfK poll showed Obama's approval rating was 49 percent. It's even lower in Arkansas.

Republicans here are trying to use the president against Democrats. GOP challenger Jim Keet refers to Beebe, a popular incumbent favored to win re-election, as "Obama's silent partner" on issues like health care.

Democrats worry that Obama's appearance in places like Arkansas could further turn off independents and boost turnout among an energized GOP base. Lincoln has used the president's support sparingly, running a radio spot during the primary and runoff campaign featuring the president.

Certainly, there is only so much a president can do to help candidates when he's not on the ticket. Since Obama's election in 2008, Democratic statewide candidates in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts lost even though Obama campaigned for them.

Still, Obama is well-liked personally, and particularly among Democrats who must turn out this fall in droves for the party to curb what are expected to be huge losses in both the House and Senate. He's focused these days on raising money in big-dollar locations and boosting a lackluster Democratic base in places with competitive Senate races, like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Some Democratic candidates are betting that Obama will help them more than hurt them. He campaigned in swing states this summer with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in Nevada and Senate candidate Robin Carnahan in Missouri.

"We will go to places where candidates think that is helpful," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said last month. "We'll raise money in places where candidates and committees think that's helpful. ... No, we're not going to go to places where people think it's unhelpful that we go. That would be crazy."

In Arkansas, Causey has tried to distance himself from the Obama administration. When asked at a recent forum to grade the president, Causey quipped, "My mom said if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it."

Copyright © 2010 U.S.News & World Report LP All rights reserved.

 

[spike]

Actually, it depends on the race. People are more likely to avoid a candidate endorsed by Palin though. I guess that means they avoid her like a bigger plaque?

http://newsblaze.com/story/2010090903360200001.pnw/topstory.html

.

 

[jimpeel]

Actually, it depends on the race. People are more likely to avoid a candidate endorsed by Palin though. I guess that means they avoid her like a bigger plaque?

http://newsblaze.com/story/2010090903360200001.pnw/topstory.html

. ?

I think not.

As I always say: All polls are crap. The only ones that count are the polling places. The results belie your poll.

You need to read this:

Sarah Palin's Endorsements Pack a Punch

Though she currently holds no political office, the former Alaska governor has emerged as a key player in some of the most contentious races. Her endorsements -- mostly done informally via Facebook and Twitter -- have sparked instant media attention and, in some cases, significantly boosted a candidate's popularity. Several of Palin's previously unknown picks have gained national attention.

-ABC News.

Note which candidates she is endorsing and how they have done in the campaigns due to that endorsement.

... and then there's this:

Palin's backing pays off for pals

Some of Sarah Palin’s riskiest endorsements scored major victories Tuesday for the former Alaska governor, showing off her power in Republican primaries.

Palin had four primary endorsements in play – Carly Fiorina, Nikki Haley, Terry Branstad and Cecile Bledsoe – and three won or moved on to a runoff.
- Politico

So even the left wing press, which are in the tank for Obama, recognize the importance, and advantage, of a Palin endorsement -- the polling place once again belying your poll.

In the meantime, I repeat THIS.

 

[jimpeel]

SOURCE

Even America's liberal elites concede that Obama's Presidency is crumbling

Democrats in Congress are no longer asking themselves whether this is going to be a bad election year for them and their party. They are asking whether it is going to be a disaster. The GOP pushed deep into Democratic-held territory over the summer, to the point where the party is well within range of picking up the 39 seats it would need to take control of the House. Overall, as many as 80 House seats could be at risk, and fewer than a dozen of these are held by Republicans.

Political handicappers now say it is conceivable that the Republicans could also win the 10 seats they need to take back the Senate. Not since 1930 has the House changed hands without the Senate following suit.

Is this a piece from National Review, The Weekly Standard, The Wall Street Journal or Fox News.com, all major conservative news outlets in the United States? No. It’s a direct quote from yesterday’s Washington Post, usually viewed by conservatives as a flagship of the liberal establishment inside the Beltway. The fact The Post is reporting that not only could Republicans sweep the House of Representatives this November, but may even take the Senate as well, is a reflection of just how far the mainstream, overwhelmingly left-of-centre US media has moved in the last month towards acknowledging the scale of the crisis facing the White House.

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-UK Telegraph

 

[jimpeel]

Remember, all polls are crap.

SOURCE

Latest Gallup poll: Barack Obama will need a miracle to avoid Jimmy Carter's fate

This week’s historic Gallup poll will have sent a shiver through the White House at the end of a summer of discontent, and is yet another key indicator that President Obama is likely to end up a lame duck president following the mid-term elections in November. The latest Gallup poll shows the Republicans in pole position to retake the House of Representatives, with other surveys suggesting the GOP will make big gains in the Senate as well, a scenario which would have been unthinkable at the start of the year.

The USA Today/Gallup survey shows Republicans leading the Democrats among registered voters by 51 percent to 41 percent, the largest lead for the GOP “in Gallup’s history of tracking the midterm generic ballot in Congress”, which dates back all the way to 1942, when FDR was president. According to Gallup, Republicans are now twice as likely as Democrats to be “very” enthusiastic about voting. While cautioning that “change is possible between now and election day”, Gallup sees strong potential for sweeping Republican gains and the retaking of the House:

The last Gallup weekly generic ballot average before Labor Day underscores the fast-evolving conventional wisdom that the GOP is poised to make significant gains in this fall’s midterm congressional elections. Gallup’s generic ballot has historically proven an excellent predictor of the national vote for Congress, and the national vote in turn is an excellent predictor of House seats won and lost. Republicans’ presumed turnout advantage, combined with their current 10-point registered-voter lead, suggests the potential for a major “wave” election in which the Republicans gain a large number of seats from the Democrats and in the process take back control of the House.

Another poll by Gallup this week shows Republicans leading the Democrats in Congress on the handling of nine key election issues, including terrorism (a 24 point lead), immigration (15 points), federal spending (15 points), and the economy (11 points). In only one area do the Democrats hold a significant advantage – the environment, which is low down the list of voter priorities. On key economic issues, likely to dominate in November, the Republicans have a seemingly unassailable advantage – the four most important voter issues according to Gallup are the economy, jobs, corruption in government and federal spending.

<MORE>

UK Telegraph

 

[ResearchMonkey]

PARMA, Ohio – With less than an hour before President Obama's scheduled speech, 75 seats remained empty in the recreation center at Cuyahoga Community College's Western Campus.

So organizers went around campus and recruited more students to fill the seats.

41% -- Abandonment by his own party, he is becoming more irrelevant everyday.

Unprecedented.

 

[spike]

41% -- Abandonment by his own party, he is becoming more irrelevant everyday.

You mean like Reagan?