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Gonz

Gonz

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Just curious.

Of all the members who are having a fit over the Patriot Act, were (are) you as concerned about the RICO statutes?

Now there is a case of handing the government too much power for no good reason.
 
Ugh, yea, there was.

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but RICO is effective for the most part...it makes the unarrestable/convictable arrestable and convictable.

where your Patriot Act isn't gonna do shit except take away rights from people .
It's a narrow minded view of how to stop that from happening again and it's not gonna do fuckyally.
 
Gonz said:
Just curious.

Of all the members who are having a fit over the Patriot Act, were (are) you as concerned about the RICO statutes?

Now there is a case of handing the government too much power for no good reason.
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Yes. That just wasn't what we were discussing at the time.
 
Gonz said:
Ugh, yea, there was.

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and what I meant by wasn't no good reason...was that there was very good
reason for RICO.

there might be a good reason for this Patriot Act, but it's a very misguided way to go about trying to fix your problem.
 
Remember though, RICO requires a "a pattern of criminal activity." The Patriot Act can act on suspicion alone. :shrug: As you've pointed out, I don't know that it has been or will be abused ("enemy combatants" held incognito is not related) but the potential for abuse of the Patriot Act is more frightening, IMO.
 
RICO has, like the Patriot Act, many good qualities. It is also very easy to use as a way to "get" someone.

We should go back to a short story size book of laws & enforce those. We don't need 50000000000 pages
 
you'd have to cull the lawyer population some first though, it'd be open season for getting people off.
 
Gonz, I thought you were a self-described "wannabe Libertarian". Yet you support the Patriot Act? What gives?

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rrfield said:
Gonz, I thought you were a self-described "wannabe Libertarian". Yet you support the Patriot Act? What gives?

rrfield
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Support is questionable. We are at war & I understand the sacrifices that have to be made. Once we re-establish fear among the enemy I'll be back to fighting our government.
 
Thats one of the dumbest things I've ever heard you say, Gonz. It is NOW that you have to be the most vigilant. It is NOW that you will see the attempts to circumvent the constitution. It is NOW that you had better be paying attention and question the motivations of every proposed change...Hiding your head in the flag will only assure you to lose sight. And your freedom will follow.
 
isnt there a law against talking against your govt in time of war? and I agree with Squiggs you need to be aware of what the govt is doing now since they have been trying to circumvent our rights
 
Squiggy said:
Thats one of the dumbest things I've ever heard you say, Gonz. It is NOW that you have to be the most vigilant. It is NOW that you will see the attempts to circumvent the constitution. It is NOW that you had better be paying attention and question the motivations of every proposed change...Hiding your head in the flag will only assure you to lose sight. And your freedom will follow.
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Would they have shot you or just jailed you in 1942?
 
Mark do you find it odd you have the Ben Franklin quote in your sig when it goes against the whole Homeland Security plan as well as the Patriot Act
 
Gonz said:
Would they have shot you or just jailed you in 1942?
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and once again you fail to adjust to current time and place gonz. this isn't 1942. this isn't the past we live in. it's present time.
things change in time, countries change in time, people change in time.

accordingly, rules change, laws change...the world isn't a static place. things just can't and won't always stay the way they were.


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so right you are shadow. in 1942 we (or they) didn't lose entire cities because of one bomb. in the present we don't even need bombers to deliver the payload.

freako-this is wartime. the rules change during war. always have, always will.
 
but even after the wartime there wont be any reason for said acts? theyll still be in effect well after the war as well as there is no need to get rid of your freedoms for that protection.
 
people can be arrested if one says they are acting suspicious correct? well what constitues suspicious? praying to Mecca? that would take away our first amendment. being arrested w/out probable cause is illegal. the interrogations would not be wiht war criminals. why? cause someone was acting "suspicious"
 
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