Critical news in the development of Stem Cell technology

[Gato_Solo]

apparently you haven't studied the history of invention in the US.

have you even heard of elmer sperry?

china lake, anyone?

hey, take a look at DARPA! they mighta had something to do with that thing called the intarnets. hey, they're still active today!

you have any idea how boring and shitty most corporate-funded research is, in your glorious, can-do-no-wrong private sector? familiar with the terms "radical invention" v "conservative invention?"

what-ev....

And those places you mentioned are funded because of the DoD. Defense-related research is always funded...What was your point again...besides needling Gonz, that is...

 

[2minkey]

yes, gato, defense is kinda goverment stuff, isn't it?

apparently you'd rather try to needle me than think about what the largest sources of innovation have been in this country historically. and those sources have been just as much gov as private.

what was YOUR point?

 

[MrBishop]

what was YOUR point?

That DnD wasn't affected by the stem-cell ban because they are always funded anyway AND that they don't touch stem-cell research, perhaps?

Well...maybe the super soldier formula, but...

 

[2minkey]

um, well, more as a response to a general point about innovation stemming from government sources. gonz took the question well outside of the stem cell thing.

mentioning that .mil and .gov are hip-joined does nothing to reduce that general point. yes, much innovation has related to the military. so what? it's still a great example of government involvement in something that actually went right.

now y'all get reading on elmer sperry.

 

[MrBishop]

Here's a more telling point...China is outracing the USA for stem-cell research innovation. Not because there are more intelligent or innovative people in China than in the USA, but because their scientists don't have the same barriers as were in place until a few days ago.

China cures blindness

(CBS) Shaun Boyd of CBS4 Denver reports on a blind Colorado girl who went to China for experimental stem cell treatments which have radically improved her vision -- she's now taking driving lessons.

Macie Morse was born with optic nerve hypoplasia, meaning her optic nerve didn't develop all the way. The only way to repair it was to grow more of the nerve using umbilical cord stem cells.

She and her mother traveled all the way to China for an experimental treatment.

For 6 weeks Morse received injections of cord stem cells and acupuncture to stimulate the cells. Gradually, they took hold and began growing the optic nerve Morse was missing.

"I saw snow fall for the first time," she told CBS4's Boyd.

Morse now has her learner's permit for driving, something her mom never thought she'd see.

"I'm experiencing a miracle," Rochelle said. "This is what it feels like."

Oh yeah..and they're taking your money too.

 

[randomJACKASS]

 

[Gonz]

apparently you haven't studied the history of invention in the US.

have you even heard of elmer sperry?

china lake, anyone?

hey, take a look at DARPA! they mighta had something to do with that thing called the intarnets. hey, they're still active today!

you have any idea how boring and shitty most corporate-funded research is, in your glorious, can-do-no-wrong private sector? familiar with the terms "radical invention" v "conservative invention?"

what-ev....

Sperry...wasn't that the place I grew up near? You know, the non-governmental company that was like Honeywell & Ratheon?

You are absolutely correct minkey. My bad. Here, let me re-phrase...what was teh last thing a US government lab discovered/invented that wasn't war related?

The point being, since you're choosing to ignore it... Private sector and individuals discover stuff. Governments keep usless trolls employed.

 

[2minkey]

Private sector and individuals discover stuff. Governments keep usless trolls employed.

yes, that's exactly the point where you are foundationally wrong, but completely unable to see it.

read the shit on china lake.

read about the sidewinder missile development there.

government trolls?

hardly.

didya happen to notice the level of government stuffs intertwining with elmer sperry's stuff?

ever hear of publicly-funded universities making headway on shit, ya know places like, um, MIT, where they did groundbreaking work on industrial automation designed to take jobs away from lazy private sector trolls like you?

 

[spike]

You are absolutely correct minkey. My bad. Here, let me re-phrase...what was teh last thing a US government lab discovered/invented that wasn't war related?

The point being, since you're choosing to ignore it... Private sector and individuals discover stuff. Governments keep usless trolls employed.

Government fund research actually has accomplished tons. What gave you the idea it hadn't?

 

[jimpeel]

hey, take a look at DARPA! they mighta had something to do with that thing called the intarnets. hey, they're still active today!

And it wouldn't have happened at all without Sperry-Rand, IBM, and a host of other private companies which made it all possible for this snot-nosed kid named Bill Gates to start a small private business in his garage; and they did it all without government handouts.

 

[jimpeel]

Here's a more telling point...China is outracing the USA for stem-cell research innovation. Not because there are more intelligent or innovative people in China than in the USA, but because their scientists don't have the same barriers as were in place until a few days ago.

China cures blindness


Oh yeah..and they're taking your money too.

Macie Morse was born with optic nerve hypoplasia, meaning her optic nerve didn't develop all the way. The only way to repair it was to grow more of the nerve using umbilical cord stem cells.

That would be the kind that come from babies who have been born, not from dead fetuses.

The fact remains that when fetal stem cells are used they are rejected or they cause tumors.

Although there has been research on both adult stem cells and embryonic stem cells since the fifties, only adult stem-cell research has produced any cures—and lots of 'em. Adult stem cells have been used for decades to treat dozens of diseases, including Type 1 diabetes, liver disease, and spinal cord injuries. Currently, adult stem cells are used to treat more than eighty different diseases.

Harvard medical researcher Denise Faustman has used adult stem cells to cure diabetes in mice. Other cures from adult stem cells are being tested in hundreds of clinical trials. Adult stem-cell researchers in Switzerland take a few strands of hair from burn victims and use the follicular stem cells on the tips to create entire disks of new skin, a vast improvement on ugly skin grafts. Recently, patients with dam-aged livers have been helped by injections of bone marrow adult stem cells collected not directly from their marrow (an extremely painful procedure) but simply cultivated from their blood.

By contrast, the embryonic stem-cell researchers have produced nothing. They have treated nothing. They have not even begun one human clinical trial. They've successfully treated a few rodents, but they keep running into two problems: First, the cells tend to be rejected by the immune system. Second, they tend to cause malignancies called teratomas—meaning "monster tumors."
-Godless by Ann Coulter pg 125

This fact was recently reiterated with the formation of tumors in a child's spinal cord and brain. I posted this story HERE less than a month ago.

 

[2minkey]

And it wouldn't have happened at all without Sperry-Rand, IBM, and a host of other private companies which made it all possible for this snot-nosed kid named Bill Gates to start a small private business in his garage; and they did it all without government handouts.

no one here has been stupid enough to deny that private folks have started businesses that made money. it's also moronic to deny that government has never done anything right or never had much to do with innovation.

tell me, have sperry-rand or IBM ever been the recipients of wisely-placed government monies?

yeah thanks for the lesson jimmy. good to know old guys like you still have a reason to be around. teaching the youth and all. at the rest stop.

 

[jimpeel]

Old guys know stuff.

 

[MrBishop]

Coulter??!? You're quoting Coulter on science??!?

 

[MrBishop]

Let's take a close look at Ms. Coulter's statement for a second.
Since the 50's - well, first of all, embryonic stem cell research didn't start until MUCH later, but then again..so did Adult Stem cell use. Bone marrow was being transplanted since the 1950's but it wasn't until the 1960's until scientists realized that they didn't have to have identical twins in order to do transplants, and what bone marrow transplants were actually doing.. The first and foremost use of adult stem cells was used to rebuild blood and antibodies lost due to illness and chemo/radiotherapy. As such...it 'cured' things..kinda. In actuality, adult stem cells weren't actually curing anything. Another process was doing the curing and bone marrow was being used to replenish the system post-treatment.

In the 80's and 90's, they finally figured out how to push adult stem cells into growing/replicating. That is, you didn't have to take 100% of the stem-cells that you wanted from a donor..you could take 20% and grow the rest.

Just before the turn of the millenia (98 or 99), the first genetic material was removed from an embryo, transplanted and then grown. Embryonic Stem Cells.

Very soon thereafter, the pluripotency of stem cell lines was being expanded upon. Look! You can turn these into pretty much anything. Blood, skin, organs, nerve tissues, bone etc...

Moratoriums have been placed upon and removed from both types of stem cell lines since the 1970's. The excuse before ESC lines was the 'playing god' excuse. Now it's 'killing babies' excuse.
Yes, adult stem cell lines are used in 100+ treatments. 90% of which are the same treatment. Rebuild blood and antibodies in a system that's been damaged.

The remaining are skin-grafts variations... That's about as far as you're going to go when it comes to adult stem cells.

Everything else you hear is about how to get pluripotent stem cell linse to do what's needed and new ways of changing more amture stem cell lines into something closer to embroyinc stem cell lines.

What you dont' hear about is the thousands of papers yearly on how pluripotent stems cell lines can be used. The science is still young and yes, it's not being tested on humans with results because these treatment HAVE to be tested on animals FIRST.

Now...since 2001(?), that testing has been hampered (In the USA) by Bush's law. Other countries were able to push ahead with their testing and now that they've gone through animal testing et al, they're beginning to turn their tests into therapy. Actual use on humans. In the USA, though..and a few other places...there's been a delay. Close to 8 years of delay. Now that the delay is over, your scientists can begin testing their theories, testing on animals etc...to try and prove that their treatment works.

Now... there are new ways of getting pluripotent stem cells from places like umbilical cords, plants, and a really new way of taking mature stem cells and increasing their potency. Great! - but that's not research into the use of pluripotent cells, is it?

Nope...that research is 8 years behind in your motherland. Other countries are coming out with actual treatments for pluripotent cells including curing blindness. And you're losing money because if an American wants/needs stem-cell treatments...they aren't going to American hospitals.

Give it a few years or so and the score will be Adult stem cell lines (100 treatments) vs. Pluripotent stem cell lines( 2000+ treatments) - all foreign. Have a nice day.

 

[randomJACKASS]

Hungry! Feed us dead babies! Must have dead babies!

 

[2minkey]

zombie flash mob?

 

[randomJACKASS]

I think it's from Dawn of the Dead.

 

[jimpeel]

Coulter??!? You're quoting Coulter on science??!?

Who cares who I quote if they are correct and the evidence backs up their statements? She is wrong because of who she is? The evidence is wrong because of who is stating it? Sounds like Spike logic.

 

[jimpeel]

Since the 50's - well, first of all, embryonic stem cell research didn't start until MUCH later, but then again..so did Adult Stem cell use. Bone marrow was being transplanted since the 1950's but it wasn't until the 1960's until scientists realized that they didn't have to have identical twins in order to do transplants, and what bone marrow transplants were actually doing.. The first and foremost use of adult stem cells was used to rebuild blood and antibodies lost due to illness and chemo/radiotherapy. As such...it 'cured' things..kinda. In actuality, adult stem cells weren't actually curing anything. Another process was doing the curing and bone marrow was being used to replenish the system post-treatment.

In the 80's and 90's, they finally figured out how to push adult stem cells into growing/replicating. That is, you didn't have to take 100% of the stem-cells that you wanted from a donor..you could take 20% and grow the rest.

Genetic research was set back fifty years by Hitler and the likes of Josef Mengele. Anyone who attempted any research in genetics was branded a "Nazi". It was only in the recent past that this stigma has been overcome.

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Moratoriums have been placed upon and removed from both types of stem cell lines since the 1970's. The excuse before ESC lines was the 'playing god' excuse. Now it's 'killing babies' excuse.

Make that "harvesting babies".

Yes, adult stem cell lines are used in 100+ treatments. 90% of which are the same treatment. Rebuild blood and antibodies in a system that's been damaged.

The remaining are skin-grafts variations... That's about as far as you're going to go when it comes to adult stem cells.

And all efforts at using fetal stem cells have been met with failure.

What you dont' hear about is the thousands of papers yearly on how pluripotent stems cell lines can be used.

Then how do you hear about them?

Now...since 2001(?), that testing has been hampered (In the USA) by Bush's law. Other countries were able to push ahead with their testing and now that they've gone through animal testing et al, they're beginning to turn their tests into therapy. Actual use on humans. In the USA, though..and a few other places...there's been a delay. Close to 8 years of delay. Now that the delay is over, your scientists can begin testing their theories, testing on animals etc...to try and prove that their treatment works.

Now... there are new ways of getting pluripotent stem cells from places like umbilical cords, plants, and a really new way of taking mature stem cells and increasing their potency. Great! - but that's not research into the use of pluripotent cells, is it?

Nope...that research is 8 years behind in your motherland. Other countries are coming out with actual treatments for pluripotent cells including curing blindness. And you're losing money because if an American wants/needs stem-cell treatments...they aren't going to American hospitals.

A mere pittance compared to the delay caused by the Nazis and the stigma which they caused in the minds of people worldwide.

Give it a few years or so and the score will be Adult stem cell lines (100 treatments) vs. Pluripotent stem cell lines( 2000+ treatments) - all foreign. Have a nice day.

How many years?