Detainees legally held

[Gato_Solo]

*is willing to harbour defectors*

I'm not defective, but, if you can correctly spell 'harbor', I'll clean your gutters.

As for the main topic...that sucks. How long must we keep this up? Try them publically, or let them go. It's not hard.

 

[freako104]

Just wondering if their rights were violated? Like chic I can understand the why but it is already being abused innit? I really wish these words still meant something

Those that would give up essential liberites for security deserve neither liberty nor security

Ben Franklin

 

[freako104]

*I like the cold and ENJOY shoveling snow* **grovelling**

you wont need to since the snow melts under hotness

 

[Gotnolegs]

No worries...I wasn't insinuating that Americans have killed these people, but I understand Americans more than a great deal of other countries do.

Imagine what Iranians are thinking, or Iraquis, of Afghanis, or North Koreans, or ...

the English?

Does anyone actually know their status? Are they POWs?

I still hold that this is against international law however you try and dress it.

 

[MrBishop]

the English?

Does anyone actually know their status? Are they POWs?

I still hold that this is against international law however you try and dress it.

Yeah...but the UK knows the USA somewhat better than Palesine f'r instance.

I'm trying to envision mass-graves predicated by the Americans, but it won't happen. I refuse to see it...but then again, I have a hard time envisioning mass-arrests and this kind of duplicity on the part of the Americans, yet it still occurs.

Nil humanis a me alienum pota - Nothing human is alien to me

 

[Gonz]

Pray tell...what's the point of all this secrecy? Why keep the names of the people being held from the courts and the general populace? Why refuse to say why these people are being detained? Why keep secretive their treatment?

As it was explained to me...

As long as a terrorist is capable of attacking America or has information that we (or their organization) want(s), they are to be considered a threat. Since most of the guests of the Guantánamo complex arehigher ranked than low-life suicide murderers, they can stay there & rot. We've let several out already-they had nothing of interest or the experiment worked

 

[Squiggy]

Just remember...We keep making these new rules for the world and one day WE will have to deal with someone doing this to Americans...Its not something to take lightly.

 

[freako104]

its a scary thought but I think you are right Squiggs.

 

[Gonz]

Squiggy, I agree. It's not a matter to be taken lightly. That is one of the reasons that I'm not freaking out & running around like chicken little with her head cut off (how's that for a metaphor).

America has a very very long history of fairness. You don't stumble across mass graves or political prisoners. We don't habitually execute POWs nor do we keep MIA's for future research.

This is a highly unusual situation. It's been less than 3 years since the attack. We're still at war & some things during war-time are fucked up. It will work itself out-to none of our liking.

 

[Gotnolegs]

This is a highly unusual situation. It's been less than 3 years since the attack. We're still at war & some things during war-time are fucked up. It will work itself out-to none of our liking.

Who are you at war with Gonz? I distinctly remember a regime called the Talibann that is no longer in power so it isn't them... Is is Saddam? No the hostilities there were declared over by your president I think. It must be the countries that those prisoners are citizens of right? Oh hang on, that would mean you are at war with the UK. That can't be right.

Just who are you at war with?

 

[chcr]

It's the war on terrorism. It's working at least as well as the war on drugs did.

 

[Gonz]

Keep your terrorists at home and this won't be a problem. We've got our hands full with Arab extremists at the moment. We don't need any more British wannabe's im the mix. Hell, we're fighting to keep American wannabe terrorists in the dark.

 

[PT]

Oh Jesus.

Gonz, can you even imagine here? These people have not had charges filed against them, they are simply being held on suspicions. Now, they could come and grab you, your wife, whoever, and hold them in the same way, saying they had suspicions, but the kicker here is, they don't have to tell anyone what those suspicions are. Does this not scare you in the least?

 

[Gonz]

of course it does. it scares the hell outta me. now go re-read post 29 as to why I'm not panicking.

 

[PT]

Squiggy, I agree. It's not a matter to be taken lightly. That is one of the reasons that I'm not freaking out & running around like chicken little with her head cut off (how's that for a metaphor).

America has a very very long history of fairness. You don't stumble across mass graves or political prisoners. We don't habitually execute POWs nor do we keep MIA's for future research.

This is a highly unusual situation. It's been less than 3 years since the attack. We're still at war & some things during war-time are fucked up. It will work itself out-to none of our liking.

Ok, so who are we at war with? What is the harm of charging these people with something?

I'm sorry, but I have to think the only reason you're not upset is because these people aren't americans.

 

[Gonz]

Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Aum Shinriykyo
Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group, IG)
HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
Hizballah (Party of God)
Japanese Red Army (JRA)
al-Jihad
Kach
Kahane Chai
Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam (LTTE)
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK, MKO, NCR, and many others)
National Liberation Army (ELN)
Palestine Islamic Jihad-Shaqaqi Faction (PIJ)
Palestine Liberation Front-Abu Abbas Faction (PLF)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)
al-Qa'ida
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Revolutionary Organization 17 November (17 November)
Revolutionary People's Liberation Army/Front (DHKP/C)
Revolutionary People's Struggle (ELA)
Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)
Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA)

 

[Gonz]

Gonz, can you even imagine here?

Why yes, I can. Thank you for asking I couldn't on 9/10/01. I could never have imagined a group of murderers would be able to steal 4 American airliners & fly the goddamned things into American buildings.
I would never have imagine that almost 4000 people would burn to death from jet fule, or worse, be willing to JUMP FROM A GODDAMED 110 STORY BUILDING TO ESCAPE THE PAIN & AGONAY>


NOWCAN YOU IMAGINE?

 

[PT]

Yep, yep, it was horrible. So I guess we'll just say fuck it to personal freedom now then, huh?

 

[Gonz]

We are at war. Once the war has ended, (as close as a war against terrorists can) then we can get back to normal. Right now we have men & women fighting for our protection. There are bad guys who wish to kill us. Until they are dead, shit happens.

 

[Gotnolegs]

Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Aum Shinriykyo
Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group, IG)
HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
Hizballah (Party of God)
Japanese Red Army (JRA)
al-Jihad
Kach
Kahane Chai
Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam (LTTE)
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK, MKO, NCR, and many others)
National Liberation Army (ELN)
Palestine Islamic Jihad-Shaqaqi Faction (PIJ)
Palestine Liberation Front-Abu Abbas Faction (PLF)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)
al-Qa'ida
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Revolutionary Organization 17 November (17 November)
Revolutionary People's Liberation Army/Front (DHKP/C)
Revolutionary People's Struggle (ELA)
Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)
Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA)

Surely you see that you are not "at war" you are simply trying to uphold international law. How can you be "at war" if the people you are fighting are not a state?

If these people have commited crimes then they should be tried, if they haven't and were simply fighting on the other side in a "war" then they should be returned to their own countries for trial there. The problem here is that you havve created an entirely new situation and are ignoring international law, the wishes of the governments of the countries you claim to be allied with and the Geneva Convention simply because some guys with big beards and unusual accents disagree vehemently with Globalisation.

On a slightly different note I couldn't help but notice that you missed out some pretty major terrorist organisations there, was thatt simply because they haven't threatened the US? Or was it because you don't see them as terrorists?