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and not having them take an oath without a bible wont change anything either.
outside looking in
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I'll refrain from making a lengthy post on this subject and instead just summarize my opinion. I'm glad it's staying in the pledge simply because it will cause less controversy and chaos, and at this time, that's the last thing we need. I also think it should have never been put in the pledge to begin with.
Shadowfax
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Why all the commotion so suddenly? Nobody actually gave a damn about that one lousy sentence in the past...no one made a problem of it. It was part of the pledge. And that's it.
I'm from the Netherlands, and I too have taken the pledge every day when I went to school in the USA when I spent a year there...why? No idea. I was forced to do so, swear to the flag of a country I didn't live in. Swear to a God I didn't believe in.
But I never made a big deal out of it. It is part of a tradition, and that's it.
And will everybody give this matter a rest PLEASE? Come ON! It's one lousy sentence. And if some extremely bored fucked-up-wanna-be-famous-atheïst hadn't said a thing, nobody would have cared one bit at this moment.
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I'm from the Netherlands, and I too have taken the pledge every day when I went to school in the USA when I spent a year there...why? No idea. I was forced to do so, swear to the flag of a country I didn't live in. Swear to a God I didn't believe in.
But I never made a big deal out of it. It is part of a tradition, and that's it.
And will everybody give this matter a rest PLEASE? Come ON! It's one lousy sentence. And if some extremely bored fucked-up-wanna-be-famous-atheïst hadn't said a thing, nobody would have cared one bit at this moment.
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Ardsgaine
Active Member
Between the leftists and the conservatives our rights are being eroded every day. It doesn't matter if it's the leftists pushing gun control, or the conservatives pushing drug control, we are being pushed by both towards a police state. Taking "under God" out of the pledge may seem small to you, but to me it's a victory against the conservatives. It may be short-lived, but I will enjoy it, defend it and hope against hope that it's a sign of better things to come.
GOD ALMIGHTY
YHWH
freako104
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lol great comic god almighty! ardsgaine you are absolutly right that both the left and right wing extremists are eroding our rights everyday. and its cause those damn agendas they go by. i dont consider this a victory so much as i see it as a change. a true victory would to me be something that was compromised so that everyone has something that they can agree on and be happy with. i personally would like to see silent time in the mornings or whenever so that those who want to pray can pray those who want to meditate can meditate, and those who didnt do yesterdays homework can hurry up and do it.
unclehobart
New Member
*shakes head in a disappointed fashion* Its a sad day to see so many people running amok thinking that they have the slightest understaning or definitions of political ideology or basis for why certain things are happening. 99% of what is being said here is baseless ranting and opinionated chest thumping. It has absolutely nothing to do with matters of law or the protections provided therein. Its a doubly sad day when I can only find two people in the crowd who have the slightest grasp of the of the 'big picture'.
unclehobart
New Member
Those who know already know... Those who don't never will ... *he said in cryptic Yoda double talk* I'm going to need a serious amount of antacids and coffee before I come near this one again. It gets up under my craw a helluva lot more than it should.
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unc don't got thinking you are so superior just because i and others are not willing to put our best foot forward in a lengthy debate here. everything i and most others said was off the cuff. if i were to really get into a debate on this issue, it might get rather intense and i would have to dig a lot of religious stuff to support my viewpoint.
the fact of the matter is that i do believe in God and feel pity or sometime apathy towards those who don't.
i don't want this country turned into a Godless society that has no sense of right and wrong. if you don't believe in God then there is a pretty good chance you may think killing and everything else that makes our society live in fear is also acceptable.
i'm not going to spend all day trying to draft a argument for keeping the pledge the same here at BS Central
the fact of the matter is that i do believe in God and feel pity or sometime apathy towards those who don't.
i don't want this country turned into a Godless society that has no sense of right and wrong. if you don't believe in God then there is a pretty good chance you may think killing and everything else that makes our society live in fear is also acceptable.
i'm not going to spend all day trying to draft a argument for keeping the pledge the same here at BS Central
unclehobart
New Member
Superior to someone who makes the absurb statement of: 'i suppose you want to change the words to God Bless America too. there is a word for wanting to do away with everything we hold sacred and dear: it's called communism.', you're damn right. A statement like that is bafflingly trailer trash ignorant. Your thread starter sets the tone for the whole idea. You could have said something... anything rational and defensible to run with. Instead, your idea is to spout off with a half assed inane thoughtless Montana Militia drivel. Half the time you make sense. The other half of the time you sound like an 8th grade educated 1933 Louisiana Sherriffs deputy with tobacco juice dribbling down your shirt.
outside looking in
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A religious code is not a requirement for a moral code.
I really don't think I want to even begin to comment on that one.
nalani
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in as much as I don't like to respond to "edgy" threads, I do feel the need to respond to this post.
the fact that it was posted at all implies lengthy debate. Nothing can be posted here involving country or religion, or on practically any other board for that matter, that wouldn't necessitate lengthy debates. The difference is some people make logical, reasoned arguments, and others don't.
And that, as an American citizen, is your right.
This is where I have the most trouble and I can only comment on what I know. I am Hawaiian. My ancestors, before the arrival of the missionaries, did not believe in "God" as you know it. But my ancestors knew right and wrong and defined by them. I'd hate to believe that what you're saying is that it is those people who don't believe in God who are screwing up this country. Last time I looked, the pedifile priests were Men of God, were they not? I know many atheist .. and I also know many people who belive in other and many gods .. they are not bad people and I take great offense at the implication that they make the world a crappy place to be in. People are people and they come in all different shapes and sizes, educational backgrounds, religious beliefs .. and yes, some are stoopid, and some aren't ... some are assholes and some aren't ... they are the way they are regardless of their belief, or disbelief thereof, of God.
the fact that it was posted at all implies lengthy debate. Nothing can be posted here involving country or religion, or on practically any other board for that matter, that wouldn't necessitate lengthy debates. The difference is some people make logical, reasoned arguments, and others don't.
And that, as an American citizen, is your right.
This is where I have the most trouble and I can only comment on what I know. I am Hawaiian. My ancestors, before the arrival of the missionaries, did not believe in "God" as you know it. But my ancestors knew right and wrong and defined by them. I'd hate to believe that what you're saying is that it is those people who don't believe in God who are screwing up this country. Last time I looked, the pedifile priests were Men of God, were they not? I know many atheist .. and I also know many people who belive in other and many gods .. they are not bad people and I take great offense at the implication that they make the world a crappy place to be in. People are people and they come in all different shapes and sizes, educational backgrounds, religious beliefs .. and yes, some are stoopid, and some aren't ... some are assholes and some aren't ... they are the way they are regardless of their belief, or disbelief thereof, of God.
and that is your right as well.
nalani
Well-Known Member
I also wanted to add that I quite enjoy reading Unc's points of view .. he is educated, to be sure, but he also approaches these edgy topics from a perspective that's not offending. Not to mention, he's not afraid to listen to another's point of view so long as it is well-reasoned and well-thought out. And on that point, I don't blame him.
flavio
Banned
Who'd got a viewpoint that's well-reasoned and thought out? Just call S4 a closeminded fool and be done with it.
It's not as though he ever provides any insight on anything important. Our "supermod" is a self-important racist homophobic jobless conservative. He thinks the police are sending teenage jackals to tailgate him and will vote republican always because the democrats are alien invader whore midgets.
ok then.
It's not as though he ever provides any insight on anything important. Our "supermod" is a self-important racist homophobic jobless conservative. He thinks the police are sending teenage jackals to tailgate him and will vote republican always because the democrats are alien invader whore midgets.
ok then.
This is good
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yeah but i sure had a lot of fun getting you folks talking. isn't that what a good supermod does? i mean think about it.
nalani
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I don't resort to name-calling unless I have to .. and that's only if my curses of hell and damnation don't work
btw - not sure if you're mocking me or what ... can't really tell by the tone of your post so I won't call you an asshole unless you tell me you were mocking me.