Friendly Fire pilot given a slap on the wrist!
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Shadowfax
<b>mod cow</b>
shit happens, yeah...but please do tell that to the families who died because of his error. i don't see the problem concerning an investigation; if he did nothing wrong, they will find out anyway.
being at war doesn't mean neglecting all the rules. isn't that what makes us 'civilized'?
being at war doesn't mean neglecting all the rules. isn't that what makes us 'civilized'?
Gato_Solo
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Re: Friendly Fire pilot given a medal!
Hmmm...Sorry to say this, but I feel that a trial, and punishment, should've happened. Why? Because the pilot had a responsibility to be more sure of his target before pickling his bomb. In other words...he should've called and confirmed before he dropped his bomb. SOP. That this was not mentioned means that he probably has 'political' connections which would preclude any harsh punishment. It's not just the military, either, Leslie.
1. By painting the military with such a broad, and unfair, brush, you have dishonored everybody who serves. Not just those who do the wrong thing.
2. All military functions get their people from society at large. We aren't born into our military careers any more than doctors, lawyers, etc are born into their civilian careers. If the military is full of idiots, what does that say about society at large? Be careful...Canadians make mistakes, too.
Leslie said:
never expected any different though, and the military machine has once again lived up to my opinion of it.
Hmmm...Sorry to say this, but I feel that a trial, and punishment, should've happened. Why? Because the pilot had a responsibility to be more sure of his target before pickling his bomb. In other words...he should've called and confirmed before he dropped his bomb. SOP. That this was not mentioned means that he probably has 'political' connections which would preclude any harsh punishment. It's not just the military, either, Leslie.
1. By painting the military with such a broad, and unfair, brush, you have dishonored everybody who serves. Not just those who do the wrong thing.
2. All military functions get their people from society at large. We aren't born into our military careers any more than doctors, lawyers, etc are born into their civilian careers. If the military is full of idiots, what does that say about society at large? Be careful...Canadians make mistakes, too.
Re: Friendly Fire pilot given a medal!
Gato. I can certainly respect the men who serve their countries while disrespecting the bureaucracy they are governed by. I certainly mistrust any government function and it's intentions, the military is no different, and I do not recall specifying that I only mistrust the military of any one country to the exclusion of that of others. My own country's military machine has done a fine job all on it's own of raising my level of skepticism to new heights. Be careful m'dear, your paranoia is showing.
and you spelled dishonoured wrong.
Gato. I can certainly respect the men who serve their countries while disrespecting the bureaucracy they are governed by. I certainly mistrust any government function and it's intentions, the military is no different, and I do not recall specifying that I only mistrust the military of any one country to the exclusion of that of others. My own country's military machine has done a fine job all on it's own of raising my level of skepticism to new heights. Be careful m'dear, your paranoia is showing.
and you spelled dishonoured wrong.
Gato_Solo
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Re: Friendly Fire pilot given a medal!
I'm not paranoid. Everybody is out toget me...
Also...my statement was, in a nutshell, "if you know the right people, nothing bad can happen to you". I never said it was right...just that it happens. No matter how idealistic a government is, there are always some who think that they are 'above' everybody else. It's not paranoia to admit that. It's just simple fact.
Leslie said:Be careful m'dear, your paranoia is showing.
and you spelled dishonoured wrong.
I'm not paranoid. Everybody is out toget me...
Also...my statement was, in a nutshell, "if you know the right people, nothing bad can happen to you". I never said it was right...just that it happens. No matter how idealistic a government is, there are always some who think that they are 'above' everybody else. It's not paranoia to admit that. It's just simple fact.
MrBishop
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The issue isn't that this was a friendly fire accident...it wasn't an accident. It was the disobeying of a direct order to 'hold your fire'. He was told to not engage, he disobeyed taht order and because he disobeyed that order...allies died. THAT is why he should be on trial.
We all know that accidents happen in war. War is chaotic enough as it is without being afraid of accidents.
This was not an accident. It was a deliberate refusal to obey a direct order to disengage. He decided not to obey that order and attacked and killed 4 allies and wounded 12 others...deliberatly!
We all know that accidents happen in war. War is chaotic enough as it is without being afraid of accidents.
This was not an accident. It was a deliberate refusal to obey a direct order to disengage. He decided not to obey that order and attacked and killed 4 allies and wounded 12 others...deliberatly!
MrBishop
Well-Known Member
Re: Friendly Fire pilot given a medal!
1) The reason why they died
2) The way it's being brushed under the carpet
The thread exists because of the nationaility of the dead. In my case...if this had been someone from Spain, or Portugal etc...I'd still be ticked off for the same reasons.Inkara1 said:
1) The reason why they died
2) The way it's being brushed under the carpet
MrBishop
Well-Known Member
There's a difference between why people died in a war.
Some die because they were fighting for a cause...heroes the lot of them.
Some die because of accidents and misfortune ... still heroic because of the reason they were 'in harms way'.
Some die because of their own mistakes ... shit happens at home or abroad
Some die because of the stupidity of others ... far more trajic
Some die because of being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
All deaths are trajic, some more so than others.
Some die because they were fighting for a cause...heroes the lot of them.
Some die because of accidents and misfortune ... still heroic because of the reason they were 'in harms way'.
Some die because of their own mistakes ... shit happens at home or abroad
Some die because of the stupidity of others ... far more trajic
Some die because of being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
All deaths are trajic, some more so than others.
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Now we have the meat of the matter. What is he guilty of?
1. Disobeying a direct order?
2. Manslaughter?
3. Both?
Here's what's going on...He's guilty of the first, and that's not in dispute. That's why the punishment looks so light. He'll never be able to rise in rank, and he'll never fly again. He's most likely out on his ear when he gets back home, so it's not being 'swept under the rug'. He's also losing 1 months pay, which, IMO, should've been a bit closer to 6 months pay if one looks at the results of his disobedience...however...he has friends, so he's protected somewhat.
1. Disobeying a direct order?
2. Manslaughter?
3. Both?
Here's what's going on...He's guilty of the first, and that's not in dispute. That's why the punishment looks so light. He'll never be able to rise in rank, and he'll never fly again. He's most likely out on his ear when he gets back home, so it's not being 'swept under the rug'. He's also losing 1 months pay, which, IMO, should've been a bit closer to 6 months pay if one looks at the results of his disobedience...however...he has friends, so he's protected somewhat.
